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Messed up, BPD ex contacted me last nigh

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I was drunk as hell, we had our regional rugby finals yesterday afternoon which we won so the whole team got wasted in the club rooms, I was home at about 2am and my BPD ex called me (i've not spoken to her for months)

I looked at my call log this morning and we spoke for over 2 hours! I also have several nudes of her in my inbox.

I don't even remember much of the conversation other than me telling her she was bpd, her apologizing for being a ***** and saying she misses me and me saying some drunk philosipher stuff like "don't apologize just try to learn from it"

thats honestly all i remember.

Anyone know what to expect next??
 

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Hmmm could go several ways.

1.) You gave her the validation she was seeking and she'll disappear into the night.

2.) Her supply is super low and she's feeling you out for a re-entry so y'all can replay all your core wounds and dysfunction together.

I'd personally just ignore and show better self-control next time--but I don't really go in for the whole collection of exes throwback edition stuff.
 

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You got away so lucky on this!!!

A BPD who wants back into your world will do anything. I highly suggest you block her number.

She could purposely catch you drunk again, seductively offer you her pvssy on platter, specifically at a time when you are too drunk to think past how good it would feel, in the moment.

That time it may not a simple post here. Instead it could be finding out your BPD EX is now thrilled to be pregnant and planing on having your kid!!! Life time connection and financial support from you!! Her dream come true!

Don't think twice about blocking her! Be so indifferent and focused on your life moving forward, that you do not even care or need to know if she ever tries to call again.

She got to you this time. Insure that you don't ever receive another call from her.
Yeah well i think last night we were talking about hooking up because she was sending me the nudes while i was on the phone to her, so we were probably having phone sex. Thankfully i live a couple of hours away from her so it wouldn't have been practical with me drunk.

Lucky escape I think
 

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Dude, I know it's hard but for your own well being you have to reorganise this relationship. Yes relationship. What you are doing is a little emotional dance, keeping that connectivity going and for her it's wonderful..she gets all that validation and made to feel special and all she has to do is send some nudes.

If she contacts you again, either ignore her or tell her politely to leave you alone. I suggest you never answer the phone as that is how they get you. Send her a cold emotionless text.

Give it about two years, watch her get with someone else, end up pregnant with his baby, and still be trying to get into contact with you. Mine does..in fact she messaged me today. Apparently I don't put enough meat into my discussions with her and I'm sarcastic - she doesn't like that but idgaf.

I know what you're going through, they're like heroin. But you're only key to escape is to stop caring. Many suggest completely breaking contact. My suggestion is not to, have her on FB or something, keep up with her. But always keep a distance. Study the nuances in behaviour and eventually you won't want more.

It's all fake, her life, emotions, perfect relationship. You'll realise you were used. Suddenly relationship statuses change and you get a phone call as they cycle through their c0cktacts.

If drink causes you to lose self-control banish it from your life.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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You think?
Like i say it's fuzzy i was drunk and had partaken in "other substances"

I didn't wake up until 3 this afternoon, i was a rite off

I remember saying "why am i talking to you" and her saying dont be mean and laughing and then something about going to a psych and thats about it.
 

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She could purposely catch you drunk again, seductively offer you her pvssy on platter, specifically at a time when you are too drunk to think past how good it would feel, in the moment.
My problem with this sentiment is it implies that Infern0 doesn't have agency. BPD isn't some mythical force that leaves men powerless to make their own decisions.

Infern0 would be choosing to sleep with her just like he chose to talk to her for two hours on the phone. It might be a dumb*ss choice, but he's not powerless and he'll only be a victim as long as he chooses to.

BPD isn't the issue. Alcohol isn't the issue. Sure, being drunk might surface core mindset weaknesses--but his mindset is the only issue here.

Emotional enmeshment is a b*tch, but it's a choice. BPD's don't go back to where they know there's no supply (and yes, anger, hatred, etc. are every bit as much of a vulnerability as love was). When you're totally detached the only thing left for them is fear--you won't be hearing from them again unless you want it on some level.
 

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I think my biggest problem is when i havent talked to her for ages and i'm doing well i tend to think "she's not THAT bad" or i think that i can control the situation and just have some fun sex

but yeah tend to forget the dangers of going there. this is why i posted for some positive reinforcement
 

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My problem with this sentiment is it implies that Infern0 doesn't have agency. BPD isn't some mythical force that leaves men powerless to make their own decisions.

Infern0 would be choosing to sleep with her just like he chose to talk to her for two hours on the phone. It might be a dumb*ss choice, but he's not powerless and he'll only be a victim as long as he chooses to.

BPD isn't the issue. Alcohol isn't the issue. Sure, being drunk might surface core mindset weaknesses--but his mindset is the only issue here.

Emotional enmeshment is a b*tch, but it's a choice. BPD's don't go back to where they know there's no supply (and yes, anger, hatred, etc. are every bit as much of a vulnerability as love was). When you're totally detached the only thing left for them is fear--you won't be hearing from them again unless you want it on some level.
If I could have sex with a post, this would be the one. This is my exact sentiment. And its the exact reason I'm against the 'BPD' circle jerk we have running rampant on SS.

Men talk about BPDs here like they're vampires or gorgons or chupacabras that ------ completley against their will ----- use their awsome BPD mind control powers to enslave them to permenant relationships.

Completely ignoring the fact that THEY *gasp* have free will. And that the only way to get taken advantage of is THEY allow it.

Not to mention, according to our many local SS psychologists, the next woman will be BPD too! Since the BPD percentage must be somewhere around 80% just going by their victims.

\rant

*Not directed at OP
 

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In my experience, BPD is often used here by men simply describing a woman who doesn't act in a way he expects, too emotional, unpredictable, whatever. He calls her BPD to primarily to add emphasis and sometimes to vindicate himself, somehow. I too take the casual use of BPD with recognition than many using the term clearly have no depth of understanding of the personality disorder they refer.

In my experience a true BPD leaves a wake in their path. Someone who has known a BPD, has lived this. Someone who has never met one, hopefully will never truly understand.

Not sure which the case is with the poster. He speaks of it so lightly, it seems unlikely she's truly a BPD. If she is, I hope for him, he choses wisely.
My ex has been diagnosed by a Psycologist and has undergone DBT for a couple of months before quittiing

she's also on about 5 different medications, she is the real deal.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Not to mention, according to our many local SS psychologists, the next woman will be BPD too! Since the BPD percentage must be somewhere around 80% just going by their victims.
I will add a stipulation here. For those of us that are susceptible (usually based on replaying some childhood dynamic) it can seem like every girl has BPD--they're the ones that most consistently pop up on our radar. Before I knew what it was and made a conscious effort to change that pattern, I was running through Cluster B's left and right; girls who were more or less healthy and emotionally available, even if they're attractive, used to trigger a massive flight instinct (I've gotten better, a little bit). But even now if I feel an extreme pull towards a girl, there's a good chance she'll open the DSM-IV playbook shortly thereafter.

On the other hand, none of my close friends--who are all solid dudes, pretty much the epitome of 'well-adjusted--would ever get wrapped with that type of girl and probably wouldn't believe those types of women existed if they didn't know me. That said, every girl in the right circumstances shows BPD-behavior; either way it doesn't abnegate our responsibility for our behavior and the type of behavior we allow into our lives.
 
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I will add a stipulation here. For those of us that are susceptible (usually based on replaying some childhood dynamic) it can seem like every girl has BPD--they're the ones that most consistently pop up on our radar. Before I knew what it was and made a conscious effort to change that pattern, I was running through Cluster B's left and right; girls who were more or less healthy and emotionally available, even if they're attractive, used to trigger a massive flight instinct (I've gotten better, a little bit). But even now if I feel an extreme pull towards a girl, there's a good chance she'll open the DSM-IV playbook shortly thereafter.

On the other hand, none of my close friends--who are all solid dudes, pretty much the epitome of 'well-adjusted--would ever get wrapped with that type of girl and probably wouldn't believe those types of women existed if they didn't know me. That said, every girl in the right circumstances shows BPD-behavior; either way it doesn't abnegate our responsibility for our behavior and the type of behavior we allow into our lives.
I can attest to this

"normies" even if they are HB10 i will find a HB7 bpd girl far more attractive, they all have the same "aura" around them, while it'll repel guys who don't have all that emotional baggage, it draws me like a moth to a flame

working on improving this
 

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BPD relationships can work but you have to be a sociopath. If you're not a sociopath just leave. A BPD wants love. A sociopath can't love. It makes them natural partners.

I would block her number but I get the feeling you won't do it because you would have done it already. It's kind of obvious common sense advice. Good Luck. Sorry I can't help you more then this.
 

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I think my biggest problem is when i havent talked to her for ages and i'm doing well i tend to think "she's not THAT bad" or i think that i can control the situation and just have some fun sex

but yeah tend to forget the dangers of going there. this is why i posted for some positive reinforcement
Good thread.

I currently experience the same thing as my WhateverPD-ex wrote me 1 week ago. She texted a nice message wanting some news saying it's odd not knowing anything from me anymore. Like nothing happened before.

And from that day I kept wondering if I should text her back or not. For now I decided to not text back.

Pump and Dump? Sounds very risky to me. I really fear emotional attachment to emerge from this. I sure would love to destroy her one more time. But I know that with those girls, as far as manipulation is concerned, they play in Premiere League and you are last in the 4st division.

Sure her as$ is attractive but everthing that surrounds it is not. I try to remember who she really is, her face turning evil from one second to another and the infinite list of other reasons why I dumped her.

Before I knew what it was and made a conscious effort to change that pattern
I would be really interested by you sharing the work you have done on yourself to change that pattern.
 

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I would be really interested by you sharing the work you have done on yourself to change that pattern.
Yeah. The first thing to remember is that BPD/Cluster B comes in all kinds of different flavors. A lot of guys (here, especially) treat BPDs like fishing stories--comparing notes on who ran into the biggest BPD. Or, 'Well your BPD could hold down a job so she must not really be BPD.' But the truth is, every person with BPD is different--their IQ, the level of social pressure causing them to conform to certain outward appearance/behavior, and their innate personalities (shy, extroverted, etc. etc.) will all dictate how/how early the disorder manifests itself--but the underlying disorder is always the same.

I've been involved with total train wrecks--once or twice. But those ones are easy to avoid and definitely easier not to invest your emotions in (unless you're like the whitest of white knight captain-save-a-hoe or have drug issues or suffer really low self esteem). But for me (before I knew what the disorder was), I kept finding better and better presentations of it--it was kind of a bargaining process. It took my last (first real) relationship going nuclear after 2 years (and having my ego/false-self absolutely shattered) for me to dig deep and start fixing my own issues. But I'll try to keep my advice as general as possible--and cherry pick what was most useful to me out of all the resources/contexts/lenses I used to make sense of things.

1. Take Responsibility. You are responsible for everything that happens to you. Not in the sense that it's your fault or that you could've forced a different outcome if you had just done 'x, y or z' but in the sense that you are responsible for how you react to any given situation--even if it's outside of your control. You are responsible for every relationship you get into and how they turn out. Sure, you can't control what your partner does and you shouldn't blame yourself for things going crazy--but you absolutely have to own your ability to act. Being the victim might feel nice--She had BPD, it wasn't my fault--but that's just your ego trying not to let you feel really sh*tty about yourself. But if you take responsibility you don't have to feel sh*tty, because you're a man and you're able to act for yourself (which is the basis of emotional freedom).

2. Forgive. I think all of us that get involve with Cluster B's are usually working out some childhood issues that on a conscious level we're not even aware of. Psychologically, it's called 'repetition compulsion'--we keep putting ourselves in the same situation over and over, because if we can just get it right this time, it'll mean that there's not something wrong with us. For me, it was pretty obvious--my dad is textbook NPD; my mom, if she's not borderline, definitely displays some strong characteristics. Luckily, they were divorced by the time I became self-aware; but I had a lot of issues lol.

It might help to take the time to figure out the dynamics in your childhood that made you feel that love was something that had to be earned. Did your parents expect you to be perfect? Was their love inconsistent? Did they lean into you for emotional support or blame you for their issues? As a child, we perceive all these things as our fault because the world revolved around us--so there has to be something wrong with us, right? And it didn't even have to be anything that extreme; children are sensitive to any number of inaccurate perceptions. The important thing is to forgive. Forgive your parents for being who they are. Forgive yourself for the things you didn't know. Forgive your ex for being who she is. Forgive the disorder. Placing blame on anyone or anything is giving that object power over you.

3. Reprogram your mind. I'm a huge proponent of regular meditation. As in everyday. I mentioned the faulty programming that carries over from our childhood but by meditating you can feed your subconscious mind with new beliefs. This is the visualization that's most effective for me:
For me, most of my effort has been directed toward replacing my ego (externally validated 'confidence') with internal self-belief (real confidence). Your ego can be manipulated; confidence can't. And your ego is ultimately what hurts the most at the end of a BPD relationship and can't let go because your self-worth is tied up in this woman that used to see you as perfect (which felt really good) but then rejected you (which feels really bad lol).

When compliments or insults have 0 impact on your internal state, you retain emotional freedom and can act according to what provides you with the most, tangible benefits--tying into the action > words.

4. Focus on your goals. BPD women are an awesome distraction. Any problems in your life? They'll bring so much drama that you can totally forget your own issues. But you're only sabotaging yourself. Make an effort to fill your life with things to accomplish--and that are worthwhile to you. The minute any girl compromises your mission is the minute you eject her from your life (it's a foolproof method of making sure your relationships with women are healthy and satisfying). Being with a woman with BPD is like a heroine addiction--it feels good to get lost in poppy land; but when the comedown hits you're left to pick up the pieces and address the things that you were able to forget in borderland.
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As far as dating normal women, what's helped me the most is internalizing the Red Pill (a la The Rational Male) and figuring out what it means to be a man (a la The Book of Pook). I dealt with a lot of guilt about sleeping with normal women and even had performance issues the few times I had tried; I was comfortable with BPD women because I could sense of some level that I couldn't hurt them anyway and in a way wouldn't feel responsible for my actions or my desires (all of this was at a subconscious level).

In short, I wasn't being honest with myself and true to my intent. I had a lot of feminine conditioning and all sort of mental blocks, etc. that I was up against. Plus, disordered women felt familiar--I had two decades' experience dealing with that type of women. I also had a strong attachment to the actualization of some idealized love/romance; and borderline women are the only ones you can adequately create that kind of fantasy with (for a while, anyway).

I've given up that fantasy and those mental roadblocks and am much happier as a result. And, in truth, the difference between normal women and Cluster B women is more a matter of degree than kind. Cluster B is just hypergamy on steroids--and yeah, having a pet tiger might be exciting for a while, but at a certain point a pet kitten would be nice, right?
 
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Being with normal women feels weird to me, I'm attracted to disordered women. Not necessarily BPD but almost all the girls I've dated have come from broken homes and had abandonment, daddy issues. I'm attracted to those type of girls, I resent girls from good backgrounds/families and don't feel an attachment to them like I do to disordered women. I know it comes from my childhood and I wish it wasn't the case but I naturally drifted towards captain save a ho.
 

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I was comfortable with BPD women because I could sense of some level that I couldn't hurt them anyway and in a way wouldn't feel responsible for my actions or my desires (all of this was at a subconscious level).
That's also something I experienced. When you are with those kind of crazies, you don't care about them. You don't care about hurting them at all. I often asked myself if those girls aren't more true than "normal" girls.

I'm attracted to those type of girls, I resent girls from good backgrounds/families and don't feel an attachment to them like I do to disordered women. I know it comes from my childhood and I wish it wasn't the case but I naturally drifted towards captain save a ho.
I think it's because it's easier for us. You "only" have to shelter them. It's the way you earn their love. You need to be needed and you get your validation from that. But you forget yourself in the process and you make yourself dependent of her.


You guys never talk about the fear. Weren't you afraid of losing your BPD? Afraid of the confrontation? Afraid to disappoint her?
 

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I was drunk as hell, we had our regional rugby finals yesterday afternoon which we won so the whole team got wasted in the club rooms, I was home at about 2am and my BPD ex called me (i've not spoken to her for months)

I looked at my call log this morning and we spoke for over 2 hours! I also have several nudes of her in my inbox.

I don't even remember much of the conversation other than me telling her she was bpd, her apologizing for being a ***** and saying she misses me and me saying some drunk philosipher stuff like "don't apologize just try to learn from it"

thats honestly all i remember.

Anyone know what to expect next??
Congrats on the Rugby- what team do you play for? (PM me if you like).

WHY IS HER NUMBER NOT BLOCKED DUDE?

I've seen so much stuff from you about your BPD Ex. I'm going to be harsh and say you need to get over this. In truth you haven't moved on (and i know the struggle having had the BPD mindf*ck).
 

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I was home at about 2am and my BPD ex called me (i've not spoken to her for months)
1. You should have blocked her by now.
2. She called you at 2am? For 2 hours? And
3. This is after 'months' of not speaking.

I'd sort it once and for all. I literally had my BPD ex email, txt and call me repeatedly, after two years. Just recently. Boy the urge was there to fvck her like a dog - but I resisted. Missed out on free every and anything from that b1atch.

She has once again vaporised in to the ether world, only to return at some other stage, with those same, haunting, words:

"I adore you. I miss you. I've changed. I'm so much more mature now..."

I'll keep the garlic around my window thanks.
 

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With a bit of luck it's option 1

Have no desire for option 2, learned all i need from her.
It wont be option 1. Usually when ex contacts you is because she is seeking attentionand needs her ego fed.
 
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