"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Men who are willing to step up to the plate-and wash it for you, are hot

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As he started scrubbing wine glasses, I glanced over at my guests. Every woman in the room was staring at him with what can only be described as pure, unadulterated lust.

Behold the appeal of the dishy man.
Oh yeah, what woman's hormones wouldn't be whipped into a panty-wetting petulant frenzy for a guy like this?

I completely understand the unadulterated foamy animal lust this guy's woman must feel when she comes home to him cleaning the oven. Rrrrowwwrrr! Let the choreplay begin,...

"He's MY man! Stay away you b!tchez!!"
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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This thread turn into the greatest ownage of iqqi and her crummy advice :cheer: . This is example of do the oppostie of what some woman suggests-if you're going to do chores that turn your girl on, make it a manly chore.
 

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Señor Fingers said:
We have a golden rule in our house

whoever doesn't cook, does the dishes
This is how I was raised. If a woman cooks me dinner, yeah, I'll take care of the dishes.

I just can not see how doing the dishes challenges our manhood. This article isn't to feminize men into doing domestic chores, the purpose (I think) of this article is to bait men into an argument.

I cook, I clean, I can do anything and everything, and that's the way I like it.

The only thing a woman adds to my life is her company, and good sex. If either is not there, I move on.

Feminism, really, has made women more useless as a whole. As men we need to rely on ourselves to keep our homes clean, our stomachs full of good healthy food, and yes, our dishes clean.
 

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Mr.Positive said:
...I cook, I clean, I can do anything and everything, and that's the way I like it....
But do you do it to attract for the purpose of attracting women? That's what the article is expounding.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Oh yeah, what woman's hormones wouldn't be whipped into a panty-wetting petulant frenzy for a guy like this?

I completely understand the unadulterated foamy animal lust this guy's woman must feel when she comes home to him cleaning the oven. Rrrrowwwrrr! Let the choreplay begin,...

"He's MY man! Stay away you b!tchez!!"
OK. I stand corrected. I can now see how, doing dishes could challenge some guys masculinity.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
But do you do it to attract for the purpose of attracting women? That's what the article is expounding.
Francisco, if woman goes out of her way to cook me dinner, I'm taking care of the dishes...or at the very least help with them. That's the way I was raised.

In reality, you could either sit there and do nothing, or help..I'd rather help.

Besides, by helping with the dishes, you are in close contact with her. It's a great way to escalate physically...if you are attracted to her.
 

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Francisco, if woman goes out of her way to cook me dinner, I'm taking care of the dishes...or at the very least help with them. That's the way I was raised.
That's fine, you already have something established be it even just a friendship. The author wrote of it to attract attention to yourself not unlike peacocking, that it should be done to get women to notice you. If it's the end of a party and the women there still haven't noticed you or your value and you need to wash dishes to do that it would be more effective if a guy just washes her car, her clothes, her dog or whatever else that he would have to do in order to show value, even if it is just domestic.
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Besides, by helping with the dishes, you are in close contact with her. It's a great way to escalate physically...if you are attracted to her.
Wasn't the guy in the article doing the dishes by himself?
 

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ketostix said:
This thread turn into the greatest ownage of iqqi and her crummy advice :cheer: . This is example of do the oppostie of what some woman suggests-if you're going to do chores that turn your girl on, make it a manly chore.

Yes it has. This thread has my vote for the most hilarious thread of the year---so far.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I always find it sexy when a man is willing to do "woman's work".

Even if he HAS to. I find a cooking man a sexy man, a laundry doing man a sexy man, and a chivalrous man a sexy man... but I am old fashioned.

As far as what Rollo said about chicks who find it sexy when you are on stage or winning competitions... that's a groupie. They find your status and "fame" sexy.
 

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Look, some women may think guys who open doors for them are chumps, but I think it is a chivalrous act, which is rare these days, and I think it is sexy. To each their own.
 

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I think that the key difference between chivalry and chumphood is the INTENT behind the act.

If you perform all these tasks to impress women, then your motives are ultimately selfish and you operate from a place of insecurity.

But when you are a genuinely thoughtful person, it's just part of your nature to look out for other people in general, not just women. That is definitely rare in this "me-first" world we live in.

I hold doors open for my friends and offer to wash dishes when I dine at their house.. its no seduction ploy LOL.. I'm just a good guy!

There is such a concentrated mania here against the nice guy that we run the risk of forgetting the value of GOODNESS. There is nothing weak about being considerate of people, especially the ones you admire.
 

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Señor Fingers said:
I think that the key difference between chivalry and chumphood is the INTENT behind the act.

If you perform all these tasks to impress women, then your motives are ultimately selfish and you operate from a place of insecurity.

But when you are a genuinely thoughtful person, it's just part of your nature to look out for other people in general, not just women. That is definitely rare in this "me-first" world we live in.

I hold doors open for my friends and offer to wash dishes when I dine at their house.. its no seduction ploy LOL.. I'm just a good guy!

There is such a concentrated mania here against the nice guy that we run the risk of forgetting the value of GOODNESS. There is nothing weak about being considerate of people, especially the ones you admire.
QUESTION.....

is the "intent" behind your actions as important as the perception behind it??

i hold doors open for friends/women/elderly etc.

however when i do this for women, even women i dont know, their perception behind my actual courteous intent may be misleading sometimes, sometimes i find myself PURPOSELY not doing theses things sometimes.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Señor Fingers said:
...If you perform all these tasks to impress women, then your motives are ultimately selfish and you operate from a place of insecurity.....
Definition of a "nice guy?" :whistle:
 

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I am beginning to worry. Lately many 30's something women have been holding the door open for me actually even waiting for me to get there to let me walk in first.

LoneSilver
 

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Laughin' my butt off to funny.

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Oh yeah, what woman's hormones wouldn't be whipped into a panty-wetting petulant frenzy for a guy like this?

I completely understand the unadulterated foamy animal lust this guy's woman must feel when she comes home to him cleaning the oven. Rrrrowwwrrr! Let the choreplay begin,...

"He's MY man! Stay away you b!tchez!!"
 

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DavenJuan said:
QUESTION.....is the "intent" behind your actions as important as the perception behind it??
If you place perception above intent, then you've shot yourself in the foot because what people think of you takes precedence over what you feel like doing naturally. Ironically enough, your concern for reactions affects the very reactions you are getting and the whole thing becomes a tangled catch-22.

i hold doors open for friends/women/elderly etc.

however when i do this for women, even women i dont know, their perception behind my actual courteous intent may be misleading sometimes, sometimes i find myself PURPOSELY not doing theses things sometimes.
I know what you mean. Some chicks instantly think you have an agenda, but so what? You should be doing this because it feels good to help others in simple ways, not because you are trying to score brownie points.

Besides, when your intent is pure and comes from a place of strength and security, only a truly paranoid or emotionally scarred person would treat you with apprehension to begin with.

In essence how you behave and the reasons behind that behavior act as filters for the people who cross your path. A good woman appreciates a good man. If she can't accept genuine chivalry, then she has real problems with power and control that you would be better off without!

LoneSilver said:
I am beginning to worry. Lately many 30's something women have been holding the door open for me actually even waiting for me to get there to let me walk in first.
Whats that you say? People treating each other with courtesy and respect regardless of gender??

What is the world coming to?
 
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Señor Fingers said:
We have a golden rule in our house

whoever doesn't cook, does the dishes

It's usually a 50/50 split, except days when guests come over. (We dont reinvite people who don't at least offer to wash their plate.)
This is part of The Matrix - you fell for the trap!! Men don't cook for their wives or do the dishes - except on rare occasions!!

You have been programmed to think so!!

And guests are not suppose to wash their plates!! This is why they are called "guests"!! From whom and where did you get this protocol? Never mind, I know.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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