Men have more value then Women not the other way around

[Fatal Jay]

I will like to elaborate on why guys have more worth and value then women in the long run of life.

Men, as boys know that they don't have worth, think back to highschool you had no car,job, lived with parents so it was very hard to get hot babes back then but look at women their value started off high because in their late teens and early twenties women are in their prime body wise and facial wise.Think back in highschool when hot babes was hard to catch because they was usually dating the older guys even college guys.

Let's fast foward to late twenties to early thirties, the transition starts to do a full 180 for the man and woman. By this time the woman after having her fun and wild times with the bad boys either most of the time has been dogged out by the guy and even worst pregnant, her body is not tight like it use to be in highschool especially after pregnancy. She feels the pressure of time and from family that she is ready to settle down, and find a nice guy to settle with, you most likely hear this from women around this age range " All men are dogs, where are the nice guys". Funny she wasn't saying this when her body was on point and she was younger.

Now on to the man in his late twenties to early thirties, his value has surpass the woman by this time he has his own place,career, and one or two nice rides, the girls that didn't pay attention to him in highschool approaches him without him even noticing the girl in the first place. He laughs at the situation now because he knows that the woman that did this to him is now running out of options in life, but the man is gunning for the best options and she most definitely is not on the radar.

I wrote this to say this, value yourself as a man, women will come and go but remember as a man you will win in the end if you focus on yourself and perfect yourself, yes women now can get guys left and right, but in the end, time always ends with the man and gives him the full advantage over the woman.

Fatal

 

[Solomon]

Great thread

I see that happening to me, girls who wouldn't give me the time of days 5 years ago now are DTF yeah sure 60 pounds heavier and 2 kids later, fucc that!!!

 

[Who Dares Win]

Thats true no doubt about it, however this kind of reasoning of "you will get the hot babe in the end" is wrong and allow me to copy and paste a post I wrote on a similar thread:

This fairy tale we tell each other is no different than fat girls telling to each other that in the end they will get the prince...sure we at least bother to put an effort in ourself but its simply not gonna
happen, there are no such things as being succesful at 35 so u get the 18 hot babe you didnt get at highschool...the 18yrs old hot babe is getting railed from some guido, not going after succesfull older men.


In other societies different than the modern western one, the guy with the highter social position and higher positive impact of society gets the best women available while in ours he often find himself picking up leftovers or even worse spoiled goods.

So while he provides the most for society, society spits on his face giving minimum rewards (for both his d1ck and ego) and maximum costs (taxes and accountability for other people sh1t).

Given that quality girls with which build a family is acceptable are a small minority and that minority decrease with age due to bad influences and baggage and given that the modern girls gets fat after 25 if she is not already, the long term planning and postponing pleasure doesnt pay anymore.

The only way such decisions would work require the subject to simply quit this system and move his productivity away in other places where he is gonna be appreciated and rewarded.

So Op you are doing well in what you do, just consider the fact that once you will "make it" you will have to pack your stuff and move to greener pasture because when it comes of women the best share belongs to young hot guys (undependantly of their worth) who enjoy and ruin hot young girls.

I realize what I said its unfair and unpleasable to hear but its much a better to acknowledge a crappy setting and improve it then bvllsh1t each other and live on a fairytale which will turn out in a nightmare.

Me personally I would never invest sh1t in a woman who gave to others for free what Im supposed to pay despite its decreased quality.

 

[muscleman]

It's just a difference in sexual market value timing and how your highest value doesn't coincide with a woman's highest value. RT describes it very well here.

That said, from a biological standpoint women are the more valuable sex due to reproduction capability. This, of course, manifests itself in society with entitlement-from-birth mindset that women have. Nothing new.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I don't really agree. Even a 40 year old HB3 who had 3 kids could get more sex offers than the average or above average guy in his prime which I would put around 25-32 if not younger.

Women always have more sexual value than men with the way society is set up now. Just because women's value maximizes around 21 and if she is childless doesn't mean older women don't still have more sexual value than men. You know how many average to below average 40-something women with kids that told me they have guys in their 20's hitting them up in addition to guys all the way up to 50 and 60 years old? All of them. Women have the equivalent of a male rockstar value nowadays.

Now if you were talking long-term relationship value then what your saying might somewhat be true. But women aren't playing that monogamous relationship game in today's hypergamous slvt society. Women simply refuse to date in their league and be looks matched.

I second Who Dares Wins' comments.

Be very careful with that "Im gonna be a stud at 35 and pull like the university quarterback" fantasy thinking.

Low 30s is a very good time to be a man, no doubt, but be realistic.

Yes this is the important take-away message. I could've gotten more and better women when I was 16-32 if I had played the numbers game as much as I have after 32. It's a BS message and a waste of youth and potential to think things are going to get better and easier with women after 30, especially with the way things are going with female hypergamy, cougarism, ageism, looksism, etc. There's no guarantee one will even make it past 30's without succumbing to disease , accident or misfortune, let alone keep their looks and virility.

 

[Mike32ct]

I second Who Dares Wins' comments.

Be very careful with that "Im gonna be a stud at 35 and pull like the university quarterback" fantasy thinking.

Low 30s is a very good time to be a man, no doubt, but be realistic.

 

[Fatal Jay]

You guys just mis read my point, I'm saying in the end as you get older as you achieve your dreams and career, you will have more options then you had in the begenning,your worth and value will increase. I never said anything about bagging nothing but hot babes, even though those are the effects.

 

[Stagger Lee]

You guys just mis read my point, I'm saying in the end as you get older as you achieve your dreams and career, you will have more options then you had in the begenning,your worth and value will increase. I never said anything about bagging nothing but hot babes, even though those are the effects.

I don't agree. Even if you don't show much signs of aging and have a good career, your options don't really increase. You may be in a better place and better at dealing with things than when in your youth though.

What it really sounds like you're saying is if you are able to maintain financial success and keep your looks, your hair lol and virility into advance age them yeah you are better than most of your similar aged male competitors

 

[Fatal Jay]

Which will a hot babe go after

the guy who has nothing

Or

The go who is working on himself and achieve his goals as time progresses

And both guys have the same looks

I'm not saying materials will help you,I'm just saying as a man learns and achieve things, his value will increase

While the woman value decreases

You telling me that Liz Taylor at 25 is still the same value at 60

no guys is checking for that

 

[Trump]

Which will a hot babe go after

the guy who has nothing

Or

The go who is working on himself and achieve his goals as time progresses

The hot babe has already slept all with the hot guys she can handle in college.

I used to have to exact same thinking when I younger, but realized its not the way it works. Even if you work on yourself it doesn't mean the girl will come, girls are emotional creatures, they don't like logic or what's good for them, they like emotion. They sleep with alphas and marry betas.

Yes it's good to work on yourself, but it no way does that mean the girl will come for you. You could work on yourself for 2 years and she could still sleep with the guy who knows how to say the right thing in 30 seconds.

How hard you work has nothing to do with scoring. That's why guys get so frustrated, they play by all the rules, workout, look good, save money to get the girl, yet the girl will drag them along for their ego while sleeping with the guy who has a lot less, but knows how to say the right thing to turn her on.

Work on yourself but don't expect the girl to owe you anything.

 

[Mike32ct]

The OP is correct that a man can and should improve himself and raise his value.

The rest of us just want to put the appropriate caveats in place so the young guys don't take it the wrong way. I don't want some 26 yo guy to think he's gonna get MORE hot puss in ten years. I mean he MIGHT, but most men won't.

Definitely focus on school and career/business, but young guys need to know that their prime years to pull are when they are young.

So in between work and/or studying, if you have the opportunity to approach and/or hook up, go for it. The numbers game works much better for young guys because you are much less likely to be viewed as a creep.

Trump and Stagger are spot on too.

 

[VladPatton]

The hot babe has already slept all with the hot guys she can handle in college.

I used to have to exact same thinking when I younger, but realized its not the way it works. Even if you work on yourself it doesn't mean the girl will come, girls are emotional creatures, they don't like logic or what's good for them, they like emotion. They sleep with alphas and marry betas.

Yes it's good to work on yourself, but it no way does that mean the girl will come for you. You could work on yourself for 2 years and she could still sleep with the guy who knows how to say the right thing in 30 seconds.

How hard you work has nothing to do with scoring. That's why guys get so frustrated, they play by all the rules, workout, look good, save money to get the girl, yet the girl will drag them along for their ego while sleeping with the guy who has a lot less, but knows how to say the right thing to turn her on.

Work on yourself but don't expect the girl to owe you anything.

^^^This right here!

She will sleep with the guy that shovels elephant shyt from the circus if THAT'S who she finds to push all her right buttons on a Wednesday night after ****tails with her bestie after an incredible mani-pedi! She'll make 007 wait till Saturday, just because Mr. Shytscoop has cute overalls.

Abandon all logic when dealing with women.

Bottom line is, if you don't go out and play the game, you loose automatically.

 

[zekko]

I don't agree. Even if you don't show much signs of aging and have a good career, your options don't really increase.

Mine did.

Adult life is not high school. What makes someone a top guy in high school is not the same as what makes someone a top guy in life. If you make yourself into a man of value, you WILL reap dividends. And for most men, it takes some time to forge yourself into a man of value. So you very well may find your options peaking in your 30s or even later.

I don't tend to think in terms of girls who are 18 though. Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but even when I was in my mid 20s, I tended to want to avoid girls who weren't at least drinking age. Most guys talk about girls 18-24 as being peak, I have usually thought 24-27.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Zekko, forget about it. It´s pretty obvious that most people here want this to be an impossible task. The fact that two of the sticky threads are from nismo should tell you something.

 

[nismo-4]

I don't fully agree. The male penis has no social value.

These days, all women have options, even if they're HB1's! Clearly, since a lot of men have lowered their standards, let women get away with so much, and the media is empowering them, women have adopted an attitude of "I have a pu$$y and every guy wants it!"

Sure a man can work out, earn a lot of money, focus on his career, etc. But women want these things IN THE NOW. Women don't know what a future muscular millionaire looks like. A working man trying to come up USED TO BE sexy. Yeah, in the 90's and before.

And sex wise, a woman can have sex whenever she wants, and she can have a relationship or a friend or a chat buddy whenever she wants. Men hold the relationship card, but that's, at best, laughable. Useless at worst. The fine print on said card says "Has no effect unless the woman in question chooses you."

Women desire mostly physically and financially fit men. A man's ambition, confidence, hobbies, personality, and sense of humor is not going to make a man look any better or any richer.

The alpha is the one who bangs. The beta is the one who marries and gets cheated on.

Have any of you read Briffault's Law? Google it.

The dating game is not some goddamn Disney fairy tale.

 

[VladPatton]

I don't fully agree. The male penis has no social value.

These days, all women have options, even if they're HB1's! Clearly, since a lot of men have lowered their standards, let women get away with so much, and the media is empowering them, women have adopted an attitude of "I have a pu$$y and every guy wants it!"

Sure a man can work out, earn a lot of money, focus on his career, etc. But women want these things IN THE NOW. Women don't know what a future muscular millionaire looks like. A working man trying to come up USED TO BE sexy. Yeah, in the 90's and before.

And sex wise, a woman can have sex whenever she wants, and she can have a relationship or a friend or a chat buddy whenever she wants. Men hold the relationship card, but that's, at best, laughable. Useless at worst. The fine print on said card says "Has no effect unless the woman in question chooses you."

Women desire mostly physically and financially fit men. A man's ambition, confidence, hobbies, personality, and sense of humor is not going to make a man look any better or any richer.

The alpha is the one who bangs. The beta is the one who marries and gets cheated on.

Have any of you read Briffault's Law? Google it.

The dating game is not some goddamn Disney fairy tale.

Thanks, nismo, those laws are very true. Let me be of service and post it here:

BRIFFAULT’S LAW:
1)The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

2) Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association. Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

3) A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

 

[SgtSplacker]

Heres a little snippet from Huffington post...

The previous record for women-led companies in the Fortune 500 was set in 2009, and included 15 firms run by female executives. Just seven Fortune 500 companies had female CEOs in 2002 and 2003.

Whats this just barely over 3%?

How many good looking guys marry ugly women? How many times have you seen it the other way around? An ugly girl that's not rich has no chance of getting a great looking guy. Heck one of my best friends is married to a gorgeous girl around 12 years younger than him. Hes bald and fat! <== He tells me this himself ok? lol

 

[Fatal Jay]

Heres a little snippet from Huffington post...

The previous record for women-led companies in the Fortune 500 was set in 2009, and included 15 firms run by female executives. Just seven Fortune 500 companies had female CEOs in 2002 and 2003.

Whats this just barely over 3%?

How many good looking guys marry ugly women? How many times have you seen it the other way around? An ugly girl that's not rich has no chance of getting a great looking guy. Heck one of my best friends is married to a gorgeous girl around 12 years younger than him. Hes bald and fat! <== He tells me this himself ok? lol

Exactly

These guys are not seeing the big Picture

 

[goundra]

Very few women know how to do ANYHING of value, really. They can "shop", keep house, "tend" (but not educate) kids (not beyond age 8 or so, at least) maybe drive a car and run LOCAL, no pressure errands, and maybe, MAYBE are ok in bed, and that's about it. They can't set up or fix much of anything, can't operate much of anything (until some MAN leads them by their little hand, shows them ONE way of doing it and that's ALL they EVER learn, is that one way. Let ONE thing go wrong or change, and they are as lost as if they'd never seen that machine or operation. I aint kidding, and I've had 45 years of close observation/experience, college women specifically included, over 90%

 

[SgtSplacker]

And lets be honest with ourselves here. Being a stay at home Mom is not a job OK?! I would much rather cook a couple meals, wash some clothes, and drive a couple errands than work any day. Work is far more stressful. There's no school to learn how to be a stay at home mom. There's a reason for that... because it's common sense and easy. I mean c'mon if I had to do that and make sure I banged my wife when she got home and give her a good carpet muching it would be a thing of fantasy for me. Exercise and stay fit... c'mon... Do it for her? Get real. That's easy street.

Just because you can complain about something doesn't make it a problem.

The reason we see women as valuable is because men want them, if we didn't desire them anymore they would not be as valuable, while we would still retain our worth. Women are incapable of taking care of themselves by themselves. Sure some are more capable than others, there's always the exception. But c'mon... a world run by woman alone? impossible...

Look at it this way... lets say that every man had a disease that rendered them sterile, and we really didn't enjoy sex that much. What would happen then? Would you go through the expense and trouble of dating and picking up women? Would you still pay to marry a woman? Would you still risk half of your assets to marry a woman? Would you do anything a woman asks you to do? (thats not your mother)