Men don't really need "love" (it's bullsh!t), but rather to be RESPECTED!

[EyeBRollin]

Is it really something women are asking of men though?

Yes.

“Where is this going?”
“I don’t want you talking to other girls”
“What are we?”
“When are we going to take this next step?”

I guess what I am having trouble wrapping my brain around is why the deception? Why not be open about it? Reach an understanding so your wife understands you, understands your nature, what' you're about.

Because women cannot handle the truth. If a man is upfront and says - “you can be my main girl but I’m going to occasionally fvck other girls on the side” then three undesirable possibities happen:

A) Woman refuses, moves onto a guy “promising” monogamy (most common)

B) Woman accepts only with the condition she can fvck other dudes as well

C) Woman accepts then down the line becomes resentful that he fvcks other girls. She later proposes option B or just leaves the relationship altogether

So men lie about this. Just as how women lie about everything else regarding their mating strategy.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Find better women mate. Seriously, they're out there. You may have to look harder, but they're there.

I mean:

B) Woman accepts only with the condition she can fvck other dudes as well.

Come on now, you can do better than this slooze.

Are you disputing the truthfulness of B?

 

[EyeBRollin]

I also think him having sex with other women threatens OUR bond. It creates a certain emotional distance and prevents intimacy.

Does it threaten your “bond” or threaten your provisioning?

 

[EyeBRollin]

It threatens "our" bond, it has to. You are sharing very intimate parts of yourself, parts that you should be sharing with ME as your wife, with other women. Even if it's only physically, it's still a threat to our bond on some level. It's inevitable.

A man who is capable of emotional bonding knows this which is why, despite his nature to have sex with others, he chooses to remain faithful.

I know there are men like this, read the "marriage" thread again.

Men, let this be a case study. Cat continues to project the female experience on to how we men view sex.

Cat, given the opportunity men actually would choose to have a beautiful wife and family and retain the ability to fvck other beautiful women if he could get away with it (no negative consequences). Men settle for monogamy mostly for financial and accessibility reasons.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Shall I provide names?

You're projecting YOUR views and reasoning on every man which is simply not the case for every man. It's just not not no matter how much you'd like to think otherwise.

Ahhh, right. You as a woman know men better than we know ourselves. Ever heard the phrase-

“It’s cheaper to keep her!”

We both know the truth. Men don’t want sexual monogamy. Give a man $100 million, put him around a few HB10s and watch how “faithful” he is to his wife.

 

[EyeBRollin]

No I don't, AGAIN there are men who believe same as I, it's right there in the "marriage" thread and in other threads.

Men on THIS forum.

Tag em.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It's like you believe men have no will power. Nor capable of staying true to their own convictions.

No. This is a contradiction. You continue to push your female agenda onto men. Men are not sexually monogamous and this is a fact. You women demand "will power" from men because you know it is not in a man's nature to only fvck one woman for the rest of his life. It is asinine for women to expect men to behave like women. We simply do not commit the same way women do.

 

[EyeBRollin]

If you establish monogamy with a woman, explicitly. And then she finds out you’ve been lying. The trust is gone forever. No trust = No relationship

Ehh... even this is not true. If that were the case every woman that caught her man cheating would leave. In reality most of them do not leave.

 

[EyeBRollin]

They don’t leave right away. When you cheat on a woman who trusted you it’s usually a shock to her and she’s very upset.

It's kind of sad actually. Such is the case with the 5/5 ex boyfriend girls. I don't know why they continue to be shocked they got cheated on. Every guy has always done it. Yet they hold out "hope."

But women are quite pragmatic. She wants to leave on her terms. And so she usually starts to plan. You know how women mentally break up with you months or even years before actually breaking up with you? It’s the right way to do it. They want to move on cleanly.

A woman that you’ve betrayed will stick a knife in your back when you least expect it. Very dangerous.

In my experience, women you cheat on take a while to leave. It’s an ego thing and they want revenge. They don’t “love” you anymore after that - as in, they don’t admire or respect you anymore.

Her ability to "move on" depends on if she can find a suitable replacement. As a woman passes the wall, she will never do better than her current husband / baby daddy. She is forced to downgrade in that department. That's the part where most women fvck up.

Beyonce ain't leaving Jay-Z. Hillary ain't leaving Bill.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I’m not against cheating, by the way @EyeBRollin . I just understand that if she catches me she will never be able to put me on a pedestal again. Lying to women and getting caught is a frame nightmare.

If it’s a high quality woman it’s definitely a loss when this happens. But there’s just so much pvssy out there. What’s a fella to do?

Male and female mating strategies are in competition. We all know a valuable man cannot go 50 years without getting some side poon. We also know women demand men lie to them about being sexually monogamous. The whole thing is laughable, really.

 

[mrskinnypantz]

Yeah , I value respect highly.

 

[manfrombelow]

Men need affection (family, women, friends). Men actually need affection more than women do.

how could a woman give you affection if she doesn't respect you first?

love, affection, whatever you label it... from a woman is the result of her accumulated respect for you - not vice versa.

 

[Mike32ct]

Who said that men are entitled to female affection, even if they are respectable men? They aren’t. And feeling as though you are entitled to female love, regardless of your achievements, is sad. It’s simping. The male desire for female love ensures that females in his orbit will be grossed out eventually.

Women choose who they want to bang. And that’s a pretty small proportion of guys. The only correlation I see between the “chosen” men is that they all know how to communicate with women and absolutely draw a clear box around women, and what they are. And most importantly, they don’t base their lives around female love/female approval.

How does one practice what you call “extreme self love” without developing a sense of entitlement?

Not a criticism. Just honestly trying to wrap my head around that.

 

[manfrombelow]

Who said that men are entitled to female affection, even if they are respectable men?

I don't know who said it, because I didn't. Your point was really off-topic anyway, and the rest of your comment was pure horse sh!t. Stop quoting me from here please.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I wonder if this is the reason for men avoiding committed relationships and MGTOW.

Many (including myself) believe men DO love harder and stronger than women. It may take him longer to get to that place, but once there, he's emotionally entrenched, and it's very difficult for him to break away from that. If the woman ends it, he's often devastated and may avoid taking that risk again.

This actually happened to one of my brothers, he was so in love with his college girlfriend, planned to marry her. She ended it and he has literally never been the same since. He avoid relationships, avoids "love." He remembers when he lost it and never wants to experience that again, it nearly destroyed him.

I have read that men commit suicide when a relationships ends more so than women, for this very reason.

Women are more resilient I think (generally speaking) and while initially extremely hurt and sad when a relationship ends, are able bounce back and find love again. This has been true for me and women I associate with.

So yes I do agree with what @Atom Smasher posted above and also agree with what @Kotaix posted. That women cannot love a man that they can't respect. And women also can't love men who don't respect themselves.

You’re wrong about men taking longer to get to that place. Men are like light switches. On and off instantaneously, to such a degree that most women can’t comprehend this.

To add something new to the discussion, women live within a social web which gives them massive emotional support, but also constrains them. If they rock the boat, the web breaks which threatens their survival. That’s why they feel tremendous pressure to conform to their web’s social expectations.

When a relationship goes bad for a woman, she is emotionally supported by that web of social connections. She checks out of a relationship emotionally long before she actually leaves it. During that period of one or two years, she mourns the loss of the relationship while still physically with the man. When she’s strong enough, she makes the cut, and that is why women seem to be so ice-cold when they leave. It usually comes as shock to the man, and it’s a double-hit. The fact that she’s leaving is the first hit, and her seemingly ice-cold demeanor is the second. He never saw it coming, and it’s like hitting a brick wall at 100 mph.

Compared to women, men are loners and they aren’t supported by a social web. When they go through emotional upheaval, they pretty much go it alone.