Trader said:
Again, you are a man, and as a man, you are supposed to *work.*
A girl does not necessarily have to work, in fact her natural role is not to work, but rather to nurture the family.
The simple bottom line is this, as a man you have no choice, you have to work, however, you do have power in that you get to choose which girl you will work those long and hard hours to support.
Unfortunately, most guys give away that precious power *to choose* and just jump on any half-decent girl that comes his way. That is a recipe for disaster. Can you imagine working those long and hard hours and coming back home to a worthless girl? Not pleasant
Pretty much.
Here's the thing I find ironic...that the "men" on this forum often assign certain attributes to their idea of a "quality woman", the homemaking skills, cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids, being subservient...yet they don't think they should be required to be the "primary breadwinner".
You can't have it both ways...that's where the problem occurs in the first place.
You either have to have the traditional 50s-style home where the man goes out, works his arse off, and earns the living, and the woman stays home and plays the "good wife", making sure his house and children are the way he wants it when he gets home, his laundry is done, all the little "stuff" is taken care of, and he can just relax...
OR you have the modern household where both parents take turns working, both bring down an income, both handle household chores, and both raise the children.
Either one is OK. "Both" is not.
The problem is that women want it both ways. In those "traditional" households, the MAN's word was LAW. Sure, the woman had a lot of influence and had the right to speak her mind, but men would have NONE of these mind-games. If the man said he didn't want a second or third child, there WAS no second or third child. If the man didn't want to bust ass to get a bigger house, they lived in a smaller house. If the woman didn't like it, she either 1) shut up and dealt with it or 2) moved back in with her mother.
These discussions need to be had BEFORE the decision to marry, or to have kids. It needs to be understood that when maternity-leave runs out, SHE GETS HER ARSE BACK TO WORK, if it's a 2-income household.
This is not a problem with the women...women will be women. They're like children...whatever you give them, they will take. This is an example of men lacking spine.
Listen to this:
I asked Kevin, “Is owning a home important to you?” He replied, “It’s very important to Lisa.” I asked him how he felt about having the second child. He sighed, “Okay, but Lisa really wants it.”
Are you going to blame this on the WOMAN? This man has no balls...he has lost the ability to say "no" to his wife, and when you do that...YES, you become a "slave".