Men are way worst than women

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

This thread is like the opposite of the MTGTOW movement where all they do is complain and take zero responsibility. Women were meant to be shaped by great men. Anyone who's ever been in a relationship knows that.

The sad (beta and supplicating) men in our society is the reason why women are the way they are. And when you try to fight it, you have to battle against these beta and supplicating men, on top of entitled feminists! Lol.

It is true that women meant to be shaped by mean and society, but the issue is that in the West, you can no longer do that to most women. There is something wrong with women of today because they don't try to fit the man's expectations of her much at all unless they are DEATHLY in love with them. Then over time and through hypergamous behavior manipulate to take more and more from the man and get different men as well, sometimes at the same time.

 

[zekko]

This is false. Men feel it to be weak to show much emotion. Society tells us that "it's ok to cry".

Allow me to rephrase that. TRADITIONALLY, society punishes us for showing too much emotion. When I was growing up, we were still brought up to not show too much emotion, although the "it's okay to cry" people were starting to gain a foothold.

Don't get me wrong, men are supposed to be strong. It's only today's backward cultures that wants to turn us into pansies. But go on a date and do the crying act and see how far it gets you lol.

 

[Tenacity]

Women were meant to be shaped by great men. Anyone who's ever been in a relationship knows that.

Lol, good luck trying to SHAPE these strong, independent, "I don't need a man for shyt" women out here brother. Being in a relationship with today's "woman" is a power struggle. Instead of this notion of you shaping her, the bytch is constantly trying to SHAPE YOU into how SHE wants you to be.

The sad (beta and supplicating) men in our society is the reason why women are the way they are.

Actually, I disagree with you here. The sad, supplicating beta is an EFFECT, not a CAUSE. He's the result of a changed market and he's only acting that way to try to fit in/operate within it.

The men who are the cause of this are the men in POWER that allowed feminism and gynocentrism to take hold in the first place. It started at the MACRO level in media, government, large corporations, the legal system, and education, then is trickled down into MICRO levels in terms of changing culture, breaking up families, creating these pseudo-matriarchies, etc.

The sad, supplicating beta is JUST LIKE the player, they are just responding to the market dynamics and trying to "fit into" it the best way they can. Understand, the Player and the sad/supplicating Beta both get a.ss out here.

They get a.ss cause they SELL OUT and play the game. The MGTOW guys, realizing the game for what it is (red pill knowledge) decide the game is immoral and they don't want to participate.

The MGTOW men are completely morally correct. But hell, this life is short.....fvck it....Tenacity is selling out. We are all gonna be DEAD in 50 - 75 years anyway.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Allow me to rephrase that. TRADITIONALLY, society punishes us for showing too much emotion. When I was growing up, we were still brought up to not show too much emotion, although the "it's okay to cry" people were starting to gain a foothold.

Don't get me wrong, men are supposed to be strong. It's only today's backward cultures that wants to turn us into pansies. But go on a date and do the crying act and see how far it gets you lol.

Yeah that makes sense. My parents are around the same age as you and have the same mentality as "quit being a baby" to me and my brother. My mom occasionally cries and she hates it when we say the same thing to her though hahaha

 

[Red Legg]

Nope....woman took the bite out of the apple first...then man ate it....Adam was a super beta...men and women are equally fvcked up......bless Pook's holy name.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The title of this thread is meaningless. Ethical considerations are only relevant to the individual, not to the mass. The loss of this existential truth has led to the loss of personal responsibility, and the rise of ideologies. A man needs to reclaim this truth for himself in order to enjoy a life with dignity.

OK, you can generalize about the state of the popular culture. But when has that ever been of most importance to the educated man??

 

[Tenacity]

I actually agree with this. The Powers that be knows how to break down the family structure. It might be a deep conspiracy. I have definately noticed this change in dynamics. I remember in the 90's, it seemed like I had a lot of value being a pretty boy. Girls would act like giddy 5 year olds in my presence. Nowadays, the first thing women ask you in the clubs is to buy them a drink, irregardless of your status.

And it seems like every woman has some arbitrary standard that you must live up to. And she doesn't even tell you what that standard is. It's just her own bs she came up with. And if you fail to meet her arbitrary standards in any way, then you are a loser. It's like we have become a matriarchy.

YES! Look at it this way:

- Those in power allowed feminism just like they allowed integration. They could care less about my black a.ss and they could care less about a "woman's rights", they only allowed Civil Rights, de-segregation, and Feminism because it served an ECONOMIC purpose. Just like supporting GAY RIGHTS is more beneficial than being homophobic, in terms of economic progress.

- The issue is that those MACRO level decisions trickle down into MICRO level hell in certain cases. I'm all for women being able to pursue economic opportunities and I'm all for gay people being treated like human beings rather than damn animals, but the chaos this shyt creates runs deep and includes:

- Breaking up of Traditional families
- Destruction of Traditional marriage
- Re-defined roles of masculinity and femininity
- Fvcked up social dynamics between men and women
- Fvcked up power struggles between men and women

Remember how I told you earlier that the sad, supplicating BETA was just responding to this new market? Let me go more in-depth about that. Women of this new market STICK together. Go on social media and say a woman looks fat, ALL women will get pissed the fvck off. Go out into society and verbally bash a woman, ALL women will come to her defense.

Men of this new market will NOT STICK together. Go on social media talking about "men's rights" and watch don't guys respond about how "gay" you are. Go out into society defending the rights of a man against something a woman is doing, and watch don't you get labeled "gay" or labeled as "woman hating" by OTHER MEN.

- Women sticking together has allowed them to create a social power dynamic. This social power dynamic has allowed them to create a pseudo-matriarchy within SOCIAL RELATIONS only (not in ECONOMIC circles, which is still dominated by MEN, but in SOCIAL relations/CULTURE dynamics only).

- So Men, (who don't stick together) are left out here as "individuals" to fight off GROUPS of women and GROUPS of men that support the women's social power dynamic.

- As a result, this turns Men into "individuals". They might be individual Betas, individual Alphas, individual Players, individual Don Juans, or whatever. But as a MAN, it's YOU against the WORLD.

- Listen, no matter what Sosuave tells you ......you are not "The Prize" and you do not "Control The Frame", the TRUTH IS that if you are successful with dating and fvcking women of THIS market.....you are only successful because you have SOLD-OUT. In other words, you aren't the Seducer, you are very well the one being SEDUCED. You aren't the one controlling the frame, you are very much the one operating within THEIR social power dynamic (frame).

- Knowing this, you can do like Tenacity, and that's operate within their dynamic but do NO legal relations (marriage, etc). This allows me to easily escape when she starts acting a god damn fool, as well as, allows me to protect my assets and freedom.

 

[logicallefty]

This thread is like the opposite of the MTGTOW movement where all they do is complain and take zero responsibility. Women were meant to be shaped by great men. Anyone who's ever been in a relationship knows that.

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We as mods get input into the selection of what threads go into the SS "Hall of Excellence". I for sure won't be selecting this one. But that's OK, the thread content is on topic with the title.. And I *supppppuppose* it's ok for our female members of SS to have their egos stroked once in a while. Isn't it? The female SS members are probably PMing each other right now about this thread and laughing at us.

 

[El Payaso]

What does it matter whether the person who stabs you in the back has a penis or a vagina. Point is you will get stabbed. People suck. That's just human nature.

 

[Urbanyst]

What does it matter whether the person who stabs you in the back has a penis or a vagina. Point is you will get stabbed. People suck. That's just human nature.

I agree with this.

Everyone is fighting to survive and thrive and get the most out of life. There is a lot of competition. People use the tools at their disposal to accomplish their goals. Some people use kindness and alliances, while others use intimidation and violence. Some people seek control and power while others seek knowledge and skills.

The goal in the end is to survive, thrive and get what you want. Sometimes what you want is positive and sometimes what you want is negative. Regardless of your gender, some people will stand in your way or pose a threat to you. This can cause conflict where there is a clear winner and loser. The loser might lose money, respect, status, relationships, comfort, physical ability, health, job, freedom, security, etc. And the winner will gain something that brings them closer to thriving.

Most of our relationships with people serve a purpose. Either practical or emotional. Conflicts usually have a loser. Sometimes we lose by the hands of men and other times we lose by the hands of women.

I think there is a certain pride in most men that makes them hate losing to women. This is why a lot of us notice these loses more. It leads us to see women as more dangerous or a bigger problem in our lives than men. We are just more comfortable getting screwed by other men than we are by women. We see women as the weaker sex. So if a woman can screw us over, it either means we are weaker than a woman or we exist in a system that gives women too much power.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

- Listen, no matter what Sosuave tells you ......you are not "The Prize" and you do not "Control The Frame", the TRUTH IS that if you are successful with dating and fvcking women of THIS market.....you are only successful because you have SOLD-OUT. In other words, you aren't the Seducer, you are very well the one being SEDUCED. You aren't the one controlling the frame, you are very much the one operating within THEIR social power dynamic (frame).

- Knowing this, you can do like Tenacity, and that's operate within their dynamic but do NO legal relations (marriage, etc). This allows me to easily escape when she starts acting a god damn fool, as well as, allows me to protect my assets and freedom.

You have to have a strong personality to be able to resist social pressure and you need to be able to translate to others how your values are societal values. Then those 'groups' of women will stand behind you. If it is one single woman, just you having a strong opinion should be enough to have her take your side. You have to be able to influence what the social norms are.

 

[Tenacity]

You have to have a strong personality to be able to resist social pressure and you need to be able to translate to others how your values are societal values. Then those 'groups' of women will stand behind you. If it is one single woman, just you having a strong opinion should be enough to have her take your side. You have to be able to influence what the social norms are.

Easier said than done when it comes to social/personal relations.

The only area I recommend "bucking the wind" is in BUSINESS. Business relations are completely different than Personal relations. The Manosphere puts WAY too much effort into women, when at the MOST all a woman can do is fvck you and be a "decent" companion. In other words, all of this shyt is way too over-rated.

NOT saying that women don't have value in a guy's life (sex/companionship is valuable) but the BULK of your time as a man should be making money and pursuing your life's passions. BUT considering how many on this forum will pat a guy on the back for being 30 - 35 and staying with his mother, no wonder WOMEN are the top priority around here instead of MONEY.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The same that is said about women can be said about money. Make neither your top priority.

 

[zekko]

- Listen, no matter what Sosuave tells you ......you are not "The Prize" and you do not "Control The Frame", the TRUTH IS that if you are successful with dating and fvcking women of THIS market.....you are only successful because you have SOLD-OUT.

That's a complicated subject. One one hand, when you say "I am the prize", you are saying that you are the prize in your own life, you are going to control the frame in your own life, and set your standards from there. Women like men for their strength, and strong men do not "sell out". Betas sell out. You need to retain your self respect and your own agenda (no need to be an @ss about it), and women will respect you for it.

From an overall SMV standpoint, in nature generally the male is the chaser and the female is the chooser. PUAs make a point of trying to "flip the script", and to some extent it's unnatural. The thing about the female form, even an average looking girl can be sexy and beautiful if she has a nice body. In fact, "average" is a beauty type in itself (girl next door). Men are more likely to be happy with "average" than a woman is.

Women supposedly all want the top 5/10/20% of men or whatever, so that puts them in a much more difficult supply/demand situation. So if you are one of those top guys, obviously you are in a better position to be the prize. If you are going after an HB9.9, who has her choice of practically any male, obviously she might be more dubious about the idea of you being the prize.

But women only have men to choose from (unless they want to go LGBT), so if they find one they like, if they are high interest, then that guy IS the prize to them. So the picture isn't quite as bleak as you are painting it to be.