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Men Are Tired of Women Not Paying for Dates

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It's why the first date should be as inexpensive as possible because you have no idea if you even will want to spend any time with this woman.
I agree. I have always tried to keep costs down on my dates. Nevertheless, I think men have a valid point that absorbing 100% of the costs for even inexpensive dates isn't a good system. Plenty of men absorb 100% of early stage dating costs for women who are employed and earning more money than they are. This happened to me many times circa 2010.

if you have a pipeline to build, you aren't just going to go on 3 or 4 dates and then suddenly have a rotation going...it's going to take 10-15-20 dates and then constantly going on more dates with new women to keep the pipeline filled once the original ones start falling off or replacing them with better options.
Pipeline building can be a good idea. It depends on the individual man's goals. I think where men would get frustrated is if they went on 10-20 dates and none of those dates resulted in short term sex or an extended, committed relationship that involves sex.

1st dates are like Russian Roulette and I'm not spending a lot of money to find out if we are going to want to spend more time together or not. It's just dumb.
First dates have a high failure rate even for men who are good at dating.

Some men find it more difficult to screen prospects for compatibility using tech methods. Those men would benefit solely from meeting women through real life methods and then assessing if a first date is a good use of time. That would reduce the number of bad dates.

Tech method dating creates a lot of dates that end up as failures for men. I think the era of dating websites and dating apps have flooded the market with a lot of bad dates. Restaurants and bars have likely gotten some incremental business from failed first dates in the last 20 years.
 

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I agree. I have always tried to keep costs down on my dates. Nevertheless, I think men have a valid point that absorbing 100% of the costs for even inexpensive dates isn't a good system. Plenty of men absorb 100% of early stage dating costs for women who are employed and earning more money than they are. This happened to me many times circa 2010.



Pipeline building can be a good idea. It depends on the individual man's goals. I think where men would get frustrated is if they went on 10-20 dates and none of those dates resulted in short term sex or an extended, committed relationship that involves sex.



First dates have a high failure rate even for men who are good at dating.

Some men find it more difficult to screen prospects for compatibility using tech methods. Those men would benefit solely from meeting women through real life methods and then assessing if a first date is a good use of time. That would reduce the number of bad dates.

Tech method dating creates a lot of dates that end up as failures for men. I think the era of dating websites and dating apps have flooded the market with a lot of bad dates. Restaurants and bars have likely gotten some incremental business from failed first dates in the last 20 years.
You can't ALWAYS keep the cost of dates down.

But more importantly; if you're doing it right the woman you're dating will do everything she can to add value herself.

So ,to both you and @Bokanovsky I'd say yes, a first date should indeed be low cost. If a woman feels you, it's just a matter of introduction, fecking her properly ( give her orgasms) and lead the situation.

However, after a period of time you'll have to start spending even if it's just to reward her for her effort and good behaviour. At some point you gotta take her out. And yes shyte will costs. But again, you shouldn't flinch to spent a hundo here and there.

Shyte is black and white. If she doesn't feel you and you try to buy her p000sy ofcourse she gonna take you to the cleaners. Buy if she does feel you your money will only confirm yer in her " great choice " by picking you( the fecking BOSS).
 
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Let me finally say this: your girl will eventually be imprinted by a man who got it like that and doesn't mind spending some cash on her...just fax my brothers..

I always wonder ( never answered ofcourse) even IF some of you guys get women, you just gonna let a good one walk? So you study game to get a hb8 and then let her walk after one session??? I've never encountered a womam who didn't came back for some more. So you go on a date , spent nun, feck her , and move on? Or you're being persistent on spending none and she just accepts it?

Sound like struggle dating but I don't know..
 

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It's about the balance of power
We're once again emulating The Woke Left's moronicism. There's never a "balance of power" in relations between human beings, living creatures more generally...

A dude who invites a chick out for dinner can boot her before the first appetizer is ordered, if he finds her displeasing in some way, and this same broad can refuse to suck this fella off in the parking lot in exchange for that free dinner, if she found him spending the entire evening babbling about QAnon dull

Everyone's more and less powerful than someone else, in certain ways
 

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We're once again emulating The Woke Left's moronicism. There's never a "balance of power" in relations between human beings, living creatures more generally...

A dude who invites a chick out for dinner can boot her before the first appetizer is ordered, if he finds her displeasing in some way, and this same broad can refuse to suck this fella off in the parking lot in exchange for that free dinner, if she found him spending the entire evening babbling about QAnon dull

Everyone's more and less powerful than someone else, in certain ways
We are talking about balance of power in a macroeconomic sense, not between specific individuals.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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We're once again emulating The Woke Left's moronicism. There's never a "balance of power" in relations between human beings, living creatures more generally...

A dude who invites a chick out for dinner can boot her before the first appetizer is ordered, if he finds her displeasing in some way, and this same broad can refuse to suck this fella off in the parking lot in exchange for that free dinner, if she found him spending the entire evening babbling about QAnon dull

Everyone's more and less powerful than someone else, in certain ways
On top of this: plenty of dudes get away with broke dating( pookie , trailer Brad , some poor Hectors, prison husbands ect)

Personally I just felt like it held me back. A woman = distraction, and a rebellious / bored woman = hell. I rather got some cash to burn..if I go out with a friend or fam I would also spent money....but when a hot woman sits across me I shouod suddenly be all principled and demand equal pay..


Funny costs money..
 
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Let me finally say this: your girl will eventually be imprinted by a man who got it like that and doesn't mind spending some cash on her...just fax my brothers..

I always wonder ( never answered ofcourse) even IF some of you guys get women, you just gonna let a good one walk? So you study game to get a hb8 and then let her walk after one session??? I've never encountered a womam who didn't came back for some more. So you go on a date , spent nun, feck her , and move on? Or you're being persistent on spending none and she just accepts it?

Sound like struggle dating but I don't know..
You gotta understand 2 things to understand the dynamic behind the el cheapo approach to chicks.

1. Men with that attitude are transactional: This for that. They are like hagglers trying to get the most (hopefully sex, woohoo!) for the least investment possible. This transactional haggler energy comes across in the man's vibe on a first in person interaction. It is yucky and a huge turn off.

Example: I remember a guy once (first guy I accepted a date with actually after my divorce... a full year after) who invited me to watch a baseball game in a city with a MLB team. He made it sound like we were going to catch the game at the stadium and get drinks after. Now understand that I am driving 2 hours one way for this outing (sgnificant investment of my time & money & effort) to meet him at all.

My first clue giving me "yuck" energy was he called me as I was getting into town & asked me to drop by his hotel (he said he had gotten a room because he lived far out from the stadium area etc...) So I am thinking "Gee. How weird. Is he a married guy hiding stuff from his wife & I just don't know?" But I figured no biggie he wants to avoid taking 2 cars.

It never crossed my mind that he had presumptously gotten a room expecting sex, although I figured that out pretty quick. I get there, its a nice Residence Inn with outside entries similar to an apartment. So I knock, and he opens the door. He doesn't look ready to go anywhere, and here I am in my jersey and cap looking really cute right?

He invited me in, and had a grocery store cheese tray and a super cheap Wyatt ($5) bottle of spakling wine he wanted to open. I asked if his idea was to pregame (although I'm already pretty creeped out at this point)....

He says no, I thought we'd hang out here and watch the game on TV. So then I knew it was a total bait & switch situation. He didn't have tickets to the ballgame (cheap seats are like $15 each back then). And here I've come all this way, lol.

So I sat in the front room of his Residence Inn, nibbled on grocery store cheddar jack cheese cubes, and watched the game and I drank water (his wine was the cheapest crap which I declined to drink). He got nervous because I wouldn't sit next to him, I stayed in the one person chair, wouldn't go in the bedroom, wouldn't let him near me (but it was an important game I had planned to watch from comfort of my own living room, I actually wanted to watch the game anyway). We had sparse polite conversation about the game, otherwise I was quiet. Once the last out happened, I got up, said thank you and left to drive back home. I got out of there without hugging him or anything else.

He invested in a hotel room expecting sex, obviously. He could have used that money to invest in tickets and getting to know me at the actual game. And tickets would have cost less. Tickets & parking and a couple drinks or a hot dog would have been about break even, and I would have had no problem getting a couple of drinks on my dime after.

So I am thinking: Really? I drive 2 hours one way for Baseball & Chill at your hotel? You presumptous fvck? I was super grossed out by that whole thing.

Hire a damn prositute ffs El Cheapo, Which brings me to point number 2, below.

He blew my phone up for weeks via text when I wouldn't take his calls. He kept asking "What did I do wrong????" I never responded.

2. This is a cheap attitude. Cheap = Stingy = Dried Up Pvssy. Now inexpensive makes sense if you are a teenager or a college student, money is scarce then often times. But if you are a working man and into your 30s or older? You ought to have your act together enough to afford a date better than Netflix & Chill....because your girls worth dating long term or marrying are going to see you as cheap, lacking in generosity and stingy.

And I have gone on a hike for free as a first date before....that is an activity date, so no worries on something like hiking or a tennis match or something like that as an initial interaction. My sister & brother in laws first date was going on a walk, followed by him going to help her several days later cut down a little tree for her Christmas tree; both free interactions.....but my brother in law was generous with his time & effort and brought his tools to help with the tree. Then he helped her get it home & decorated. Inexpensive but an investment of time & effort. Generous in his desire to help her & spend time getting to know her.)

At some point you gotta make an investment gentlemen. Women worth an investment know who they are and are paying attention.

But if you are all about I MUST NOT SPEND ANY MONEY BUT I WANT THE COOKIE?????

Good women will steer clear of that. These are both total turn off attitudes guys exude in this rigid idea that you are somehow owed something.

You are men. If you want yo be treated like men by worthwhile women you gotta quit whining about this sort of rhetorical stuff and accept that it is part of being man. You don't like that? Ok. Some other guy will get the hotties who are worthwhile women because they are happy to be the man in the interaction.

Good women sniff out cheap and/or transactional behavior & get away from it.
 

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In top of this: plenty of dudes get away with broke dating( pookie , trailer Brad , some poor Hectors, prison husbands ect)
Yeah, and as said in several prior threads, there's an endless array of activities one can take a prospective conquest to, the likes of which are far more cost-effective than a 4 star bistro
 

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My last "Date" was in May a hottie who drove from out of town. SInce she was paying up for a hotel I wanted to show her a good time. Yeah I know I broke every rule int he book movie, dinner date etc. It was a waste of time and money as she didn't want to go back to have fun in her hotel. Needless to say I haven't been on a date since, although I have linked/hooked up with half a dozen chicks since
dunno man, sounds to me that you framed it quite bad the whole thing

Even the expectation that you go out for dinner and she has to have sex with you expectation

When you go out, even for a drink or coffee, you have to factor in that the date will not go anywhere and see if you are ok with that

if you are not ok with that for whatever reason, then don’t do it :)
 

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dunno man, sounds to me that you framed it quite bad the whole thing

Even the expectation that you go out for dinner and she has to have sex with you expectation

When you go out, even for a drink or coffee, you have to factor in that the date will not go anywhere and see if you are ok with that

if you are not ok with that for whatever reason, then don’t do it :)
What woman you know would drive 2.5 hours just for a "Coffee" date?

She led me on, it is what it is, I'm not losing sleep over it, and as mentioned have hooked up with several women since
 
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But if you are all about I MUST NOT SPEND ANY MONEY BUT I WANT THE COOKIE?????

Good women will steer clear of that. These are both total turn off attitudes guys exude in this rigid idea that you are somehow owed something.

Good women sniff out cheap and/or transactional behavior & get away from it.
Suppose a 43 year old man making good money is going on a 1st date with a 36 old woman. Coffee is out because it’s cheap, and the woman is looking for a LTR or marriage, a man that can protect her in the future and take care of her.

What do you suggest they do on a first date that’s not considered “cheap” ?
 

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1. Men with that attitude are transactional: This for that. They are like hagglers trying to get the most (hopefully sex, woohoo!) for the least investment possible. This transactional haggler energy comes across in the man's vibe on a first in person interaction. It is yucky and a huge turn off.

Example: I remember a guy once (first guy I accepted a date with actually after my divorce... a full year after) who invited me to watch a baseball game in a city with a MLB team. He made it sound like we were going to catch the game at the stadium and get drinks after. Now understand that I am driving 2 hours one way for this outing (sgnificant investment of my time & money & effort) to meet him at all.

My first clue giving me "yuck" energy was he called me as I was getting into town & asked me to drop by his hotel (he said he had gotten a room because he lived far out from the stadium area etc...) So I am thinking "Gee. How weird. Is he a married guy hiding stuff from his wife & I just don't know?" But I figured no biggie he wants to avoid taking 2 cars.

It never crossed my mind that he had presumptously gotten a room expecting sex, although I figured that out pretty quick. I get there, its a nice Residence Inn with outside entries similar to an apartment. So I knock, and he opens the door. He doesn't look ready to go anywhere, and here I am in my jersey and cap looking really cute right?

He invited me in, and had a grocery store cheese tray and a super cheap Wyatt ($5) bottle of spakling wine he wanted to open. I asked if his idea was to pregame (although I'm already pretty creeped out at this point)....

He says no, I thought we'd hang out here and watch the game on TV. So then I knew it was a total bait & switch situation. He didn't have tickets to the ballgame (cheap seats are like $15 each back then). And here I've come all this way, lol.

So I sat in the front room of his Residence Inn, nibbled on grocery store cheddar jack cheese cubes, and watched the game and I drank water (his wine was the cheapest crap which I declined to drink). He got nervous because I wouldn't sit next to him, I stayed in the one person chair, wouldn't go in the bedroom, wouldn't let him near me (but it was an important game I had planned to watch from comfort of my own living room, I actually wanted to watch the game anyway). We had sparse polite conversation about the game, otherwise I was quiet. Once the last out happened, I got up, said thank you and left to drive back home. I got out of there without hugging him or anything else.

He invested in a hotel room expecting sex, obviously. He could have used that money to invest in tickets and getting to know me at the actual game. And tickets would have cost less. Tickets & parking and a couple drinks or a hot dog would have been about break even, and I would have had no problem getting a couple of drinks on my dime after.

So I am thinking: Really? I drive 2 hours one way for Baseball & Chill at your hotel? You presumptous fvck? I was super grossed out by that whole thing.
I don't get this story. First off, a busy lady like yourself has the time to drive 2 hours (one way) for a first date with a guy which appears to be a total creep? It appears you did no screening if you ended up meeting with such a weasel. All this is aggravated by the time spent. This story doesn't reflect your mantra that high quality women (like yourself :p) have plenty of options.

Secondly, the moment he said he wanted to watch the game on TV and you realized the scam, why didn't you just turn around and left? Why stay in his company any more? Oh, you wanted to see the game anyway, you could've just gone to the hotel lobby or the nearest bar with a TV.
 

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I don't get this story. First off, a busy lady like yourself has the time to drive 2 hours (one way) for a first date with a guy which appears to be a total creep? It appears you did no screening if you ended up meeting with such a weasel. All this is aggravated by the time spent. This story doesn't reflect your mantra that high quality women (like yourself :p) have plenty of options.
I don't get it either. She had 3 kids probably under 13 at the time. Where does a single mom of 3 younger children find the time to drive 2 hours one way for 4 hours round trip for a sexless date?

I have a difficult time getting long time married male friends to take 2 hours for various activity outings or socialization at bars.

the moment he said he wanted to watch the game on TV and you realized the scam, why didn't you just turn around and left? Why stay in his company any more? Oh, you wanted to see the game anyway, you could've just gone to the hotel lobby or the nearest bar with a TV.
Excellent point.

It never crossed my mind that he had presumptously gotten a room expecting sex, although I figured that out pretty quick. I get there, its a nice Residence Inn with outside entries similar to an apartment. So I knock, and he opens the door. He doesn't look ready to go anywhere, and here I am in my jersey and cap looking really cute right?
I can see why he expected sex. You are driving 4 hours round trip. It's logical for a man to think that someone would drive that distance for sex, not a sexless date.

I don't do long distance dating because it causes a lot of issues, like this one.

He blew my phone up for weeks via text when I wouldn't take his calls. He kept asking "What did I do wrong????" I never responded.
This seems like it was in the earlier days of text messaging (circa 2010). This sounds like the transitional period in between mobile calling on pre-smartphone cell phones and texting on smartphones.

That behavior does come off as beta with scarcity mentality. Not good.

I remember a guy once (first guy I accepted a date with actually after my divorce... a full year after) who invited me to watch a baseball game in a city with a MLB team. He made it sound like we were going to catch the game at the stadium and get drinks after. Now understand that I am driving 2 hours one way for this outing (sgnificant investment of my time & money & effort) to meet him at all.
Why was stadium attendance not clarified before the moment you stepped in your car?
 

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Guys you can complain/try to change the world or you can level up
And it's only when we level up that we gain the resources and influence necessary to really alter our external environment. Ain't a fluke that those former slaves who became abolitionists were almost entirely from.states like Maryland and Virginia, where it wasn't uncommon for them to be given basic literacy + Broad exposure to the larger society, which put them light years ahead of many PEOPLE in The Deep South, enslaved and otherwise

Or that the Civil Rights movements of The 20th Century only occurred post-WW2, when Western nations achieved a level of prosperity heretofore unprecdent in human history, and that these were largely led by folks of upper middle class origins

We get the bare minimum out of life, if we don't invest, monetarily or otherwise
 

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And it's only when we level up that we gain the resources and influence necessary to really alter our external environment. Ain't a fluke that those former slaves who became abolitionists were almost entirely from.states like Maryland and Virginia, where it wasn't uncommon for them to be given basic literacy + Broad exposure to the larger society, which put them light years ahead of many PEOPLE in The Deep South, enslaved and otherwise

Or that the Civil Rights movements of The 20th Century only occurred post-WW2, when Western nations achieved a level of prosperity heretofore unprecdent in human history, and that these were largely led by folks of upper middle class origins

We get the bare minimum out of life, if we don't invest, monetarily or otherwise
I don't know if I would go as far as comparing men paying for dates to slavery. That's would be taking it a step or two too far. Slaves did not enslave themselves. But men create and maintain stupid customs that put them at a disadvantage.
 

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Kind of late to this discussion.

I don’t mind paying for the dates. It’s the cost of doing business.

The only thing that I ask in return is gratitude and good behavior.
 

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I don't know if I would go as far as comparing men paying for dates to slavery
Which wasn't what I did. MGTOWs, and before that Tom Leykis, beat us ALL to that monkey's piss excuse for rum punch, a looooooooong f-c-ing time ago
 

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I don't get it either. She had 3 kids probably under 13 at the time. Where does a single mom of 3 younger children find the time to drive 2 hours one way for 4 hours round trip for a sexless date?

I have a difficult time getting long time married male friends to take 2 hours for various activity outings or socialization at bars.



Excellent point.



I can see why he expected sex. You are driving 4 hours round trip. It's logical for a man to think that someone would drive that distance for sex, not a sexless date.

I don't do long distance dating because it causes a lot of issues, like this one.



This seems like it was in the earlier days of text messaging (circa 2010). This sounds like the transitional period in between mobile calling on pre-smartphone cell phones and texting on smartphones.

That behavior does come off as beta with scarcity mentality. Not good.



Why was stadium attendance not clarified before the moment you stepped in your car?
All this is silly. I met the guy at a charity thing. He seemed normal. I had been out of the dating realm for more than nearly 20 years at that time but realized that the small town where I lived at the time had no suitable prospects for dating.

Because he seemed normal & asked me to come see a game with him (and he made it sound like an actual game at the ballpark). So sure. It was a learning experience. I work for myself so I can make time for things as needed. Simple.

Shortly after that eye opening fiasco I met a fantastic guy in SoCal while there for business. We dated for 18 months long distance. In fact looking up BPD (his ex wife was diagnosed BPD) was what brought me here 10 years ago.

The whole ballgame "date" was strange indeed. Sometimes life is weird.
 

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Sometimes life is weird.
Yeah... We're finally exterminating activists who masquerade as journalists, yet one of the few that opposed further US military adventurism got the chop, while Ben Shapiro's shriller-than-Michelle Wolfish voice remains alive and gagging on Bibi Netanyahu's flaccid penis

This is the modern equivalent of
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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