"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

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Meeting women on the train, is it doable??

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Well I've been thinking and I do spend a lot of time on the train living in NY. I'm on the train for at least 2 hours almost everyday of the week. I always see HB's on the train but I dont know if its the right time or place. As you can tell im new to the whole thing. Any and all advice, ideas, etc... are welcome.
-Precision
 

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Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Think of a woman. She has nothing to do, or maybe she does, like doing the next worst thing next to GET BORED TO DEATH. She probably does the same thing each day at the train. She would LOVE for a DJ (handsome, fun, charming, etc) that you are to come and rock her world. Even if whatever she is doing is mildly amusing, or even fun, she would love it much much more for you to come and be her prince charming.

At work, gym, supermarket, train, bus, elevator, street, wherever.
 

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What is the difference between a woman on the train and a woman in the grocery store? Nothing this all has to do with your mind set.

This summer when I was coming back from Chicago I f-closed a girl from Ohio. I only new her for 3 hours. If your there and she is there then it is the right time and place.

What else are you waiting for? This is life my friend.

Man up.
 

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syemour said:
What is the difference between a woman on the train and a woman in the grocery store?
A woman on the train is stationary (relative to you), has no shopping agenda, is sitting down, probably bored and in a much more favorable position to be approached.

I'd put a train on the top 3 for places to approach.
 

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Trains and buses are easy places to meet women. Go and sit next to the hottest chick you can find!
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Thanks everyone, appreciate it.....I've been trying to man up for some time now. Did an approach or too but I was taking some time to get used to just being around women and being myself at the same time. I've gotten to where I want to be which is as comfortable as I can be around them, friends or not. So now I made up my mind to just do it, theres no reason to waste time.

I really never thought of the train as a spot for a pick up, but then again thats the mindset I was in. Hard to break old habits but I'll make it happen. It's NY nothing interesting does happen on the train. I want to approach at least one in a public situation like this, whether the results is good or bad....I have too many oppurtunities on the train and I just dont take advantage of em.

Just start with a little eye contact and a smile and work from there? Anything in specific to stay away from?
-Precision
 

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Agree with SamePendo and BrotherAP. They're bored on the train, they welcome a friendly hello.

I've gone to various outings, and noticed the best time to meet women is the 10 minutes before it starts. I go early for that reason. Why? They're bored then, waiting around. They welcome someone to talk with. Approach with a friendly smile, and you're in. You're far more welcomed than at a club when they have their shields up, expecting guys to hit on them.
 

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I sarge in Manhattan sometimes because I'm relatively close to the city.
You have to make sure that your appearance is highly respectable, and seem as though you're just chatting out of sheer boredom, nothing more. Why? On the train or subway, b!tch shields are incredibly high. Also, you must establish rapport before you go for the number or else your just some guy that tried to pick her up on the subway.
 

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What makes the train tough is people nearby eavsdropping. Note I said tough, but not impossible. I once did a cold approach on a nice brunette honey I saw on the platform who I thought may have given me favourable eye contact. When we boarded I made sure to sit next to her.

Sadly, no positive signals, and the train is packed (peak hour), so I thought well, it's now or never. Life is not a rehearsal. So I did small talk and she responded well enough, though not enthusiastically. Kind of perfunctory. After a while she became remote, so I wound down to let my burning ears cool off (why does that always happen???). When I stopped talking there was a deathly silence because it must have been obvious I was trying to win-on. Hahaha.

So we get off, miraculously at the same stop, and she just walks away hurriedly with the crowd. No backward glance or anything. Pffft, stuff her I think and I chalk it up to experience. Anyway, the next day after work 24 hours later outside the train station, there she is sitting near the entrance by herself, seemingly waiting for me to show up. Woohoo!

What I learned from that was yes, talking on the train might be awkward for both of you, but the degree of difficulty is very high, especially during peak hour, so she may be impressed but can't show it, or there could be a delayed realisation that you are prime man meat. Who knows. You have nothing to lose except a bit of embarrasment. Nothing wrong with that if you're not a sleaze.
 

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I met my current girlfriend in a train. Prior to her, I met another young professional woman in the train too. Both were very attractive (sexy) and professionals.

The train is one of the perfect places. Think about it...they choose you over all those professionals, etc. ;)

But you must be careful. Remember, you might be using the train to go to work. And many other people might be using it for the same purpose. If you try to pick a woman there and you sent the wrong vibes, then you might get the title: "stalker" or "creepy". So, in a way...you might risk both; "dj" and "professional" status.

That is the kiss of death.
 

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Thanks again...I do realize that I'm running the risk of coming off bad or "creepy" in the situation, but if it comes to that theres always another car on the train.

Marlimus, What exactly is rapport? I tried searching for what it means on the site and came up with nothing.

Never thought of the train as the ideal place, but its about time I try something new.

Thanks again everyone really appreciate it.
-Precision
 

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One of the best places to pull but also remember that there is no get out for her. Make sure you know she is going to get to work and say "I met this amazing guy on the train this morning. The jorney flew"....not "Oh my god. I had to sit with this guy trying to pick me up this morning. It was hell. Train ride felt like it lasted forever."

Otherwise very good PU area. Better than a club imo.

Why waste the hours you spend there when you can be "productive"

:woo:
 

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Tomatoes said:
One of the best places to pull but also remember that there is no get out for her. Make sure you know she is going to get to work and say "I met this amazing guy on the train this morning. The jorney flew"....not "Oh my god. I had to sit with this guy trying to pick me up this morning. It was hell. Train ride felt like it lasted forever."

Otherwise very good PU area. Better than a club imo.

Why waste the hours you spend there when you can be "productive"

:woo:
Exactly....i know theres going to be failures and unsuccessful attempts, but you're right I can use the time "productively" instead of sitting down glued to an ipod. After a while I should get the hang of it, I'd hope:up:
 

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I really really can't understand how anyone picks up on the train during rush hour. I mean most of the chicks I see on London trains are either reading, or listening to music.

Also, the trains are pretty much always packed! and no one talks to anyone else! so if you go up to a HB and start talking to her, it looks and feels really lame because you just know that everyone on the carriage is going to turn around, look at you, listen to what you say AND think "ha ha! look at that guy trying to pick up that girl!"

The only time I have been able to successfully chat up and number close a girl on the train has been late at night where i'm slightly tipsy and the carriage is more empty.
 

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PrEcIsIoN22 said:
Thanks again...I do realize that I'm running the risk of coming off bad or "creepy" in the situation, but if it comes to that theres always another car on the train.
Bad mentality. The thing is...once a label of "creepy" is bestowed upon you, does not matter where you sit...OTHERS (women do talk a LOT) will know too.

The idea is to do things without the risk of being labeled "creepy". And the best way is by making them do the innuendos. To make them "flirt" with you.

In my case, I made nice eye contact first and smiled. One I approached a few weeks later by simply sitting in front of her. I smiled, and she started talking. The other I approached the same afternoon, by sitting near her (she made a noise and I turned my face and smiled again - then moved and sat by her). In both cases, they returned the smile.


Keep in mind, I dress very well, I am in shape, and I’m not a bad looking man. I look successful. But at the same time, I have a “bad boy” look that can sometimes intimidate some people, so I have to be very careful.


In both cases, they VOLUNTEERED their personal numbers and work email and work number. I decided to date one and that eventually became my girlfriend. Note: one was older than me and the other one about 7 or 6 years younger.

I didn't ask for those contact information. A smart woman knows that a man in the train would be in a predicament due to the risk of being labeled "creepy". Of course, many people exchange business cards and that crap for networking or friend stuff. That was not the case in these particular scenarios. It is important they understand your intentions without you telling them. Or they will either categorize you as a "friend" or "networking tool".
 

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Tomatoes said:
One of the best places to pull but also remember that there is no get out for her. Make sure you know she is going to get to work and say "I met this amazing guy on the train this morning. The jorney flew"....not "Oh my god. I had to sit with this guy trying to pick me up this morning. It was hell. Train ride felt like it lasted forever."

Otherwise very good PU area. Better than a club imo.

Why waste the hours you spend there when you can be "productive"

:woo:
EXCELLENT observation. (Note: Which shows that some younger men can give very good input).
 

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Fash said:
I really really can't understand how anyone picks up on the train during rush hour. I mean most of the chicks I see on London trains are either reading, or listening to music.

Also, the trains are pretty much always packed! and no one talks to anyone else! so if you go up to a HB and start talking to her, it looks and feels really lame because you just know that everyone on the carriage is going to turn around, look at you, listen to what you say AND think "ha ha! look at that guy trying to pick up that girl!"

The only time I have been able to successfully chat up and number close a girl on the train has been late at night where i'm slightly tipsy and the carriage is more empty.
You are NOT picking them. You are making yourself available for THEM to pick you. Takes LOT of skills.

That's the trick.
 

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Fash said:
I really really can't understand how anyone picks up on the train during rush hour. I mean most of the chicks I see on London trains are either reading, or listening to music.

Also, the trains are pretty much always packed! and no one talks to anyone else! so if you go up to a HB and start talking to her, it looks and feels really lame because you just know that everyone on the carriage is going to turn around, look at you, listen to what you say AND think "ha ha! look at that guy trying to pick up that girl!"

The only time I have been able to successfully chat up and number close a girl on the train has been late at night where i'm slightly tipsy and the carriage is more empty.
For the most part when I'm on the train in the morning or on my way home, it's not packed at all. I take the local which is much less packed than the express.

From what I've seen people on the trains are more than happy to talk, contrary to what even I thought. Doesn't hurt to try:yes:
 

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Bad mentality. The thing is...once a label of "creepy" is bestowed upon you, does not matter where you sit...OTHERS (women do talk a LOT) will know too.

The idea is to do things without the risk of being labeled "creepy". And the best way is by making them do the innuendos. To make them "flirt" with you.

In my case, I made nice eye contact first and smiled. One I approached a few weeks later by simply sitting in front of her. I smiled, and she started talking. The other I approached the same afternoon, by sitting near her (she made a noise and I turned my face and smiled again - then moved and sat by her). In both cases, they returned the smile.


Keep in mind, I dress very well, I am in shape, and I’m not a bad looking man. I look successful. But at the same time, I have a “bad boy” look that can sometimes intimidate some people, so I have to be very careful.


In both cases, they VOLUNTEERED their personal numbers and work email and work number. I decided to date one and that eventually became my girlfriend. Note: one was older than me and the other one about 7 or 6 years younger.

I didn't ask for those contact information. A smart woman knows that a man in the train would be in a predicament due to the risk of being labeled "creepy". Of course, many people exchange business cards and that crap for networking or friend stuff. That was not the case in these particular scenarios. It is important they understand your intentions without you telling them. Or they will either categorize you as a "friend" or "networking tool".
Thinking about it, I don't think I'd come off as creepy. I could say the same I dress well, im in shape, and im in no way bad looking. Whats kept me shy, was probably the thought that I couldn't live up to a woman's expectations but I've grown out of that mindset, to say the least.

As for the intentions part I've gotta work on that for sure. Letting the girl know what my intentions are seems to be the hardest part of this, besides actually getting of my @$$ and doing it.

If I do get labeled as "creepy", which could happen, I'm probably never going to see her again.

Making innuendos to make her flirt, I believe I can pull off. Off the top of your head which you probably do what are some easy ways?

Thanks for the words....
 

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Latinoman said:
You are NOT picking them. You are making yourself available for THEM to pick you. Takes LOT of skills.

That's the trick.

Takes some work on the mind to pull this off, but I'm sure I'll get there with "field practice".
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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