Meet Joe Black

[potato]

In the movie, Meet Joe Black, the character, Susan, falls in love with the character Joe Black. It is a perfect depiction of a real woman falling for a real man. Notice the complete lack of anything remotely resembling game. There is no power play, no routines, and no cheesy lines. Every woman who’s fallen for me acted just as she does.

In the scene where they meet he is just going about living his life and she strikes up a conversation with him. They talk about nothing special, he mentions some problem his sister is having and she mentions something about being a doctor mixed in with some small talk. Eventually they each go their own way with neither having made any effort to get or give the other phone numbers or any thing like that.

In their next meeting he is a guest of her father at dinner and she is there with her boyfriend. The boyfriend, Drew, noticed them looking at each other and objected, sounding very much like those who post on here, saying things about a girl not respecting them enough. It is Drew who throughout the movie is playing games, who is being manipulative, who loses out in the end as I’m sure many who follow the whole PUA/DJ/Plate spinning nonsense do. He told her in no uncertain terms that he did not like the way that she looked at Joe, that it is disrespectful towards him. She pretty much told him to bug off.

Later on he shows up at the hospital where she works. Doesn’t come on to her or anything just says he came to see her and made no move.

When they finally get alone she asks him if he’s married, has a girl friend, or gay. He says no. Then she says, ”So tell me Joe, how come a man as attractive, intelligent, well spoken, definite in the most seductive way, and yet powerful, he’s all alone in this world.” Then she asks if she can kiss him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWXfyWI9RPw&feature=related

Some of you guys talk about being the prize. Well this is what it is like to be the prize and the way girls react when you are the prize. Compare this video with the video with Mystery on the thread about mystery,

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=137428

 

[bukowski_merit]

thanks for the movie review guy

and any guy who 'openly' gets mad when their girl is looking at another man is an AFC, but you wouldn't know that since you don't actually pay attention to what we're saying. you'd rather pay attention to a fictional movie script written by delicate flowers of men/women.

 

[KontrollerX]

Great movie but the example isn't totally fair because during the second half of that Joe is inhabited by Death itself so its not one person seducing her but two.

Death takes over the body of the young man Susan fell in love with in the coffee shop and for a time she senses something isn't right about him anymore but eventually she comes to fall in love with Death as well later in the movie.

The coffee shop scene alone where its the real guy in his real body I concede is a damn good example for any DJ to follow.

 

[saber]

dont get me wrong...i think a lot of advice and information on this forumn is something people need to understand or try rather than definate truths about dating but....

one of the biggest problems a lot of people have is limited real life experience combined with a large amount of info from movies ect

this has to lead to a false model of how people interact

but this clip does have some good advice...notice joe can keep his mouth shut for a second and let some tension build

 

[reset]

If you don't know what to say just don't say it.

 

[potato]

None of that is real. Not one second, not one feeling, not one person, the movie is FAKE. I find it hilarious that anyone here takes ANY thing from ANY movie seriously. Joe black - not real , James Bond - Not Real, Luke Skywalker - NOT REAL. Base your actions and choices and DJ ways on field reports and REAL LIFE tested material not on things that someone has imagined.

Yet many of you hold before you, as shining examples, people such as Johnny Soporno, David DeAngelo, and Mystery, all who present you with a created image, not the reality of who they really are.

I watch those YouTube videos of guys picking up chicks and it all comes off as corny, contrived. I suppose I could have someone follow me around with a camera and demonstrate to you all how a man who is naturally good with women attracts them. But I’d rather not. So the next best thing is to show a video of something very similar. Sure it’s fiction but most writers do draw on personal experience in setting up characters, situations, and dialog.

The interaction between Joe and Susan follows a pattern that I regularly experience and have experienced many dozens of times. You want a real field report? Well, here is a generalized one that I experience all the time.

In the beginning they just happened upon each other. I never go out looking for women. Just, in the general course of my life, I occasionally run into a woman who ignites something within me. When we first talk there is never any talk of sex or relationships or any thing about liking each other or not - just general conversation.

When I was in my early twenties there was an older woman that I used to have regular conversations with. One day she told me that for me to get a woman, all I had to do is talk with her long enough that she would see me for who I was and would fall for me.

In the movie Joe didn’t come onto Susan, yet she fell for him, not by what he said, but for who he was. Often times to get the better girl, you have to be the better guy. If you spend all your time gaming women, only looking for sex, then you’re going to miss out on a lot of the enjoyment that can be had in interacting with women. Look at the example of your own Mr. Spinning Plates theory. Doesn’t even follow his own advice, stays monogamous with a single woman.

Let there be no doubt. If there is chemistry, you don’t have to say anything, you look into each others’ eyes and you know. Thus what you actually say doesn’t matter at all, as what is being communicated, what really matters is between your eyes and how it makes you, and her, feel, it’s very intimate.

When Susan and Joe departed, after that first meeting, neither made any attempt to give each other contact information, even though both were highly attracted to the other. I never ask for phone numbers. It just seems that whenever I meet such a woman that we tend to find each other again. Only rarely have I not again run into a woman who I initially had a good interaction with. When we do run into each other again, it is always a joyous moment. I guess the secret is to always be memorable.

I know some of the religiously indoctrinated won’t agree but very much of what you think, and how you are, is tied up in your physical being. People don’t have souls, they have their physical self and that is where their self resides. Your emotions, thoughts, even your intelligence are physical traits. Often, when you connect with a woman, it is your physical selves that are attracted to each other.

When Susan and Joe met again, at her father’s dinner table, their attraction was immediate and needed no introduction. It didn’t matter that Death controlled Joe, his physical being had already begun to fall for Susan, Death had nothing to do with it, it is a physical process.

Always, on second meetings, there is an awkwardness that is overshadowed by the joy of seeing each other again. And again there is no talk about sex or relationships, beyond an acknowledgement that there is something going on in the space between you and her.

And always by the third meeting, if not earlier, the woman lays out her reasons for falling for you, your attractiveness, your intelligence, whatever special attributes you may have, and how you make her feel. It comes not from gaming her but from being the type of guy that makes her feel that way, just the way it happened with Susan, essentially offering herself to Joe.

Whenever a woman begins to express her affections towards me, I sit back, act innocent, cute, and enjoy the moment. Often times a woman’s imagination is your best friend.

Let’s recap the process.

Boy and girl meet, like each other.

Boy and girl run into each other again, acknowledge their attraction.

Boy and girl end up alone, just the two of them, profess their love for each other in words and in actions.

This way may not work well for those of you who prefer playing a numbers game or those with the “fvck them b!t*hes” attitude, but it gets you women who fall in love with you and women in love will keep coming back, offering you much more than just sex.

 

[Evolution]

When they finally get alone she asks him if he’s married, has a girl friend, or gay. He says no. Then she says, ”So tell me Joe, how come a man as attractive, intelligent, well spoken, definite in the most seductive way, and yet powerful, he’s all alone in this world.” Then she asks if she can kiss him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWXfyWI9RPw&feature=related

Some of you guys talk about being the prize. Well this is what it is like to be the prize and the way girls react when you are the prize. Compare this video with the video with Mystery on the thread about mystery,

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=137428

I just saw the clip from youtube right now. Good stuff.

No routines were used, but there is something going on there. There is a lot going on beneath the surface than just "conversation."

Heres my analysis.

Surface: Laughter followed by a few mumble, mumble, eye contact then the kiss.

Underlying communication: Emotion attachment, intimacy, sexual desire.

We use the terms: attraction, sexual communication, etc. etc.

To explain something we feel. And we try to backwards rationalize it.

 

[The Bat]

I think Brad Pitt makes it look super easy. You put a man as good looking as Brad Pitt in front of any woman, and he won't even NEED to say anything corny/sexual/intimate. You know how men become physically and emotionally weak for beautiful women? Well guess what...women are the same way but they become a thousand times weaker when confronted by beautiful men.

 

[DonJuan11]

In the movie, Meet Joe Black, the character, Susan, falls in love with the character Joe Black. It is a perfect depiction of a real woman falling for a real man. Notice the complete lack of anything remotely resembling game. There is no power play, no routines, and no cheesy lines. Every woman who’s fallen for me acted just as she does.

No lack of ego here

Later on he shows up at the hospital where she works. Doesn’t come on to her or anything just says he came to see her and made no move.

What a waste of time. Why would a guy go to that much trouble just to see a girl and not sleep with her?

When they finally get alone she asks him if he’s married, has a girl friend, or gay.

Every guy's dream. A girl you want to sleep with asks "Are you gay?"

He says no. Then she says, ”So tell me Joe, how come a man as attractive, intelligent, well spoken, definite in the most seductive way, and yet powerful, he’s all alone in this world.”

Because he has no confidence, no balls, no game, and therefore, no girl

 

[Aboleo]

The only thing I really remember was Brad Pitt saying "I thoroughly enjoy this peanut butter!"

I think I slept through most of it, but THAT was funny as sh!t.

 

[potato]

No routines were used, but there is something going on there. There is a lot going on beneath the surface than just "conversation."

Exactly. Every guy who I’ve ever known who was naturally good with women seemed to instinctively know how to communicate with women “beneath the surface” as you say. Also, guys who are horrible with women tend to be oblivious to the subtleties of non-verbal communication.

 

[potato]

In the movie, Meet Joe Black, the character, Susan, falls in love with the character Joe Black. It is a perfect depiction of a real woman falling for a real man. Notice the complete lack of anything remotely resembling game. There is no power play, no routines, and no cheesy lines. Every woman who’s fallen for me acted just as she does.

No lack of ego here

Later on he shows up at the hospital where she works. Doesn’t come on to her or anything just says he came to see her and made no move.

What a waste of time. Why would a guy go to that much trouble just to see a girl and not sleep with her?

When they finally get alone she asks him if he’s married, has a girl friend, or gay.

Every guy's dream. A girl you want to sleep with asks "Are you gay?"

He says no. Then she says, ”So tell me Joe, how come a man as attractive, intelligent, well spoken, definite in the most seductive way, and yet powerful, he’s all alone in this world.”

Because he has no confidence, no balls, no game, and therefore, no girl

You have entirely missed the point. He did get the girl and majorly so.

If you go with the idea that you are the prize and take steps to make yourself so, then the game you play with women is entirely different than the game you play when you have to “game” women.

Perhaps the most powerful tool that you can use to get a woman is her own imagination, to get her to think about you, to get under her skin. Women are attracted to different men for a variety of reasons. To have characteristics a particular woman is attracted to gets you much further with that woman than anything else.

In your teens and early twenties it is a little different than when you are more mature, but when a women meets a man who she is attracted to, some of her first thoughts are that he must have a girlfriend or a wife… or gay.

With women who’ve shown interest, I’ve often found that popping up somewhere unexpected and with little more than a “hi, how you doing” gets a woman thinking about me, makes her look forward to seeing me again.

 

[The Deacon]

This is pretty helpful advice, potato. Meet Joe Black is a really good movie when you want to understand sexual tension. The thing is, when you get all these routines and sh*t stuck in your head, it doesn't really become a sexual thing as much as a cheap social experiment based on a pop-psychology book. Mystery and DeAngelo do have some pretty good advice, but they just can't teach the whole underlying sexual tension that's completely non-verbal, which would be their greatest weakness. Besides, you can't really teach someone sexual tension, you can only have them observe it.

Canned routines were only made to get sexual tension, and sometimes, adversely, they do achieve that goal. Brad Pitt in Meet Joe Black is a great example of how completely non-verbal underlying sexual tension can easily beat out manipulation/mind games. Notice that Joe Black's character is never nervous, quite socially awkward, and incredibly sexual - especially in the way he looks at Susan. Women are biologically programmed to notice this.

 

[Johnny Soporno]

Yet many of you hold before you, as shining examples, people such as Johnny Soporno, David DeAngelo, and Mystery, all who present you with a created image, not the reality of who they really are.

I'm sorry to disillusion you, Potato, but I am ALWAYS exactly the same person, under every circumstance. Everyone who has ever met me can assure you of that.

As far as David D' goes, my experience with him is that he is also exactly as he appears, from top to bottom, as well.

Mystery has carefully cultivated a personae, and that personae may or may not be 'the real him' - We're friendly, but I'm not close-enough to him to comment.

Johnny Soporno
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