"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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master djs. kind of a different situation here.

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I am 29 yrs old and im dating a 21 yo woman. well we have been talking for a few months via bbm. we met a few months before that. I DJed my way to a first date. thru bbm of course lol. kissed/makeout on the first date, and never looked back, 12 dates in 1.5 months weve been acting like a couple since date 1. havin sex, holding hands etc. PDAs, she likes my friends. i like hers. bbms me everyday saying stuff like she misses me, she wants to **** me.etc.

2 nites ago, after sweaty sex, i told her "ive been calling u my girl to my friends that cool?" she said yea i asked, " wat r we? u wanna be my girl?" ( i know it was stupid of me to even ask her, but i felt the moment was right) she said "i dunno what we r", then she said "lets take things slow without any labels" i fell silent, she asked "wats wrong?" i said smilingly, "i feel embarrassed and rejected" she said "no ur not rejected its not like im seeing anyone else, ur mine." I said "forget i mentioned it. il never bring it up again." she said "y, dont u wanna be mine?" then jokingly i said "i wanna take things slow... haha"

last nite our bbm convo had a diff vibe. she was more friendly. less sweet. actually no sweetness. the word "babe" ddnt come out of her mouth. i have implemented the no contact rule. its been a day, its killing me. u guys insight would be much appreciated.
 
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I know when a woman put the brakes on, i should brake even harder... hence the no contact. I kinda just felt it in my gut from that one convo that something has changed.
 

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in before the standard replies of:

  1. 1.5 months is too soon
  2. you messed up by asking her, its her job to ask you
  3. follow your gut
  4. pull back
  5. act like nothing happened
  6. spin more plates
  7. next her.

Personally I would act like nothing happened and give her a little space. You jumped the gun, so just be cool.
 

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Thanks for the insight,

Hmmm... act like nothing happened... so continue having bbm convos with her everyday? thats not giving her space is it?

And we havent talked all of today for the first time ever, so that seems that i acted like something happened no?

im a lil confused sir. i apologize, i dont understand what u mean.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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2 nites ago, after sweaty sex, i told her "ive been calling u my girl to my friends that cool?" she said yea i asked, " wat r we? u wanna be my girl?" ( i know it was stupid of me to even ask her, but i felt the moment was right) she said "i dunno what we r", then she said "lets take things slow without any labels" i fell silent, she asked "wats wrong?" i said smilingly, "i feel embarrassed and rejected" she said "no ur not rejected its not like im seeing anyone else, ur mine." I said "forget i mentioned it. il never bring it up again." she said "y, dont u wanna be mine?" then jokingly i said "i wanna take things slow... haha"
Bush-league screwup, my man, all the way through. Live and learn I guess but you're getting too old to be making those mistakes. Back to bootcamp for you. :(
 

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Big mistake there. Anyways you don't need to next. I had a problem with one of my plates back a couple months ago, when I was a bit too good too her. You must now draw back and eliminate her from your h0 rotation. Pretend she dropped off the face of the earth. When finds some way to get back in contact with you put the mack down but don't eb aggresive and maintain a carefree attitude. Develop other plates at the same time. Slowly let her earn back your attention.
 

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i asked, " wat r we? u wanna be my girl?" ( i know it was stupid of me to even ask her, but i felt the moment was right) she said "i dunno what we r", then she said "lets take things slow without any labels" i fell silent, she asked "wats wrong?" i said smilingly, "i feel embarrassed and rejected" she said "no ur not rejected its not like im seeing anyone else, ur mine." I said "forget i mentioned it. il never bring it up again." she said "y, dont u wanna be mine?" then jokingly i said "i wanna take things slow... haha"
Stuff like this shows insecurity. She likes you, she's fvcking you, there's no reason to be insecure, but you brought it out anyway. Ever sit and enjoy eating sunflower seeds? Occasionally you get a rotten one in the mix and you get yucky taste in your mouth. That's pretty much how women feel when they're enjoying time with you and you suddenly get sensitive and wimpy.
 

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katzorange said:
Thanks for the insight,

Hmmm... act like nothing happened... so continue having bbm convos with her everyday? thats not giving her space is it?

And we havent talked all of today for the first time ever, so that seems that i acted like something happened no?

im a lil confused sir. i apologize, i dont understand what u mean.
What does your gut tell you to do? I honestly want to know. Is your gut, brain and d1ck in alignment? Which one is off? Which one is leading the charge here? I'm just curious as to how self aware you are.

As for acting like nothing happened, and giving her space...you give her space first. And when she contacts you, you act as if nothing happened. Act like you normally act.
 

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Her interest level is not high enough. Withdraw your attention, and start pursuing women who display high IL overtly/covertly.

If she is a valuable contender, she will prove it through consistent displays of interest.

Whenever you question the integrity of a rapport, think as a chess player. You both blundered by showing your cards...now think moves ahead, capitalize on her mistake and create an exit strategy.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Personally I would act like nothing happened and give her a little space. You jumped the gun, so just be cool.
THIS! Be cool, be more patient, have fun.
 

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I',m no master dj mate, in fact I've gone back to bootcamp after an awful episode. But a HARSH lesson, and so basic, that I have learn't is....never never ever ever ever be the first one (if at all) to express your feelings to a girl...never.
 

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Zunder said:
I',m no master dj mate, in fact I've gone back to bootcamp after an awful episode. But a HARSH lesson, and so basic, that I have learn't is....never never ever ever ever be the first one (if at all) to express your feelings to a girl...never.
A personal lesson learnt Zunder ?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Easy there. Desperation is showing just by looking at your 3 posts in under 8 minutes. Pretend like nothing ever happened is a good first step. Observe her reaction the next time you talk to her calmly. Don't show her that the rejection has gotten to you. Worst case scenario, you gained some experience in the dating world and use it for the next adventure.

Over time with experience, you will be able to judge when it is appropriate to take a relationship to the next level.
 

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katzorange said:
any more dons wana get in on this?
Is there a specific answer you're looking for?? You've already gotten several good replies, and from what I've seen, they're all saying the same thing. :confused:
 

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a fellow torontonian
which area in you in katz?
 

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Desdinova said:
Stuff like this shows insecurity. She likes you, she's fvcking you, there's no reason to be insecure, but you brought it out anyway. Ever sit and enjoy eating sunflower seeds? Occasionally you get a rotten one in the mix and you get yucky taste in your mouth. That's pretty much how women feel when they're enjoying time with you and you suddenly get sensitive and wimpy.

Yep. I agree with all the advice on this thread.

She's probably had the experience of guys turning into annoying douche bags as soon as they fall in love with her. Some women do want sex without a relationship, and that is usually due to past bad experiences with men.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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