Mass Shooting - Why It Happened

[mikhailsadvice]

Hi everyone, today I explain why I believe the mass shooting in the Florida night club happened. This is not particular to a specific group or ethnicity, but rather an illustration of human nature as evidenced in much larger events throughout history (fall of the Roman Empire, Alexander the Great). When hubris takes over, there will be backlash. Enjoy & discuss!

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Hi everyone, today I explain why I believe the mass shooting in the Florida night club happened. This is not particular to a specific group or ethnicity, but rather an illustration of human nature as evidenced in much larger events throughout history (fall of the Roman Empire, Alexander the Great). When hubris takes over, there will be backlash. Enjoy & discuss!

It's Islam.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Its not just Islam, our current civilization resembles Sodom and Gomorrah. Left leaning progressives have turned our nations into gay clubs, enforce LGBT ideals on businesses and now are trying to brainwash our children with their PC nonsense. Islam is the knee jerk reaction and a symptom of the wider problem. This won't go away unless Trump is elected and Putin is on board. The patriarchal nations need to eradicate political correctness ASAP or we will end up going to war over it. Seems this may have occured once before during biblical times when decadent nations were reduced to salt under fiery explosions.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Its not just Islam, our current civilization resembles Sodom and Gomorrah. Left leaning progressives have turned our nations into gay clubs, enforce LGBT ideals on businesses and now are trying to brainwash our children with their PC nonsense. Islam is the knee jerk reaction and a symptom of the wider problem. This won't go away unless Trump is elected.

None of us agree that the brainwashing is good for society, but we don't need to be gunning them down by the dozens. It sounds like you're saying they deserved it?

I don't know what "Sodom and Gomorrah" have to do with anything. The answer isn't more Christianity, it's less Islam. All religions are stupid, but Islam is the worst. And it's the only one that kills people for lifestyle choices.

 

[LiveFreeX]

You are not a Canadian so I wouldn't expect you to understand. Do a little research into what is happening in Canada. I had a woman threaten to report me to child services if I did not force my 'future children' into learning the new 'sex ed curriculum' which cites that there are 6 genders and teaches young children how to participate in gay sex. [Yes, I have read it] Our prime minister is likely a gay, he is a self described feminist and muslim sympathizer and our premier is a dyke who is pushing gay rights while spending us into oblivion.

There is a widely held belief here that if you aren't on board with the Left, you should be in prison. There is a law in Canada where you are no longer allowed to criticize Trans, its punishable by up to 2 years in prison. Bestiality was also recently legalized. in the sex-ed curriculum work book there is an excerpt which states that if your parents don't agree with the body-politics you should tell [inform] a 'trusted friend: teacher'. Basically inform on your parents when they don't agree with liberal ideas.

Our nation was built by Christians and although I don't subscribe to their particular religion, the farther we get away from those ideals, the closer we get to the fascist, anti-straight male state. I was blamed a few days ago for being a 'white male' on the basis that I could not contribute logically to an argument. The deconstruction of society is at hand. Our nation went 6 months ago from being in the black, to 30 billion in debt. Our progressive left government is bringing in Islamics without vetting them based upon feelz. There is a bigger agenda at work.

One thing I will say about religion, is that it unites our tribes under one god, controls human impulse and allows people common ground. I think it is an integral part of our culture which should not be removed. Religion also offers our soldiers and societal defenders comfort for their services in a widely shared belief of some sort of life after death. Without religion, man will cease to procreate, to me religion is the celebration of life and the defense of it. Christianity and Islam share a common goal, to produce more life and destroy those things that would stifle its production. Biological life does a similar thing, anything that tries to stifle its growth, it will attack. I'm not saying Islam is right but I am saying that religion is. Religion is what has allowed us to create groups, tribes and nations. It is what has encouraged people to have larger families and share wealth/resources [including access to women] between families. We are all tribal and when we stop connecting with our tribe and subscribing to that tribes ideals, goals and dreams we become anti-tribal and must be expunged. The Islamics are just a rival tribe and they see our tribe as sick (which it is), we have fallen away from our old societal customs and religions to give way to progressive decadence and anti-life practices and the result is a dying society, this encourages them and solidifies their doctrines. Our women are even turning against us and opting out of procreation completely, feminism is really just another form of lesbianism. It is not enough for the current LGBT crowd to live their lives in private, they are now encouraging/enforcing the corruption on other straight-baby producing families. Decadence and the current LGBT brigade share a common goal, to ursurp biological purpose and corrupt it.

Where there is religious rule, patriarchal civilizations grow. Even China subscribes to a life after death religion despite the recent cultural revolution trying to 'ban it'. Societies that are growing, are religious and patriarchal... societies that are dying are mostly not. People need something to believe in or they will have no motivation to live in peace with one another. If there is no punishment or retribution after death, why do I follow laws in life? Society requires religion.

 

[LiveFreeX]

I am in no way against gays as long as they do not interrupt society flaunt their sexuality in public or force their ideals on me and mine. One of the individuals I watch quite frequently is Milo Yannopolous. A gay, religious: christian, man against the LGBT movement and pro-straight male. I spent my teenage years in and out of raves which were mostly run by gay men (club kids) who never tried to get me to try their lifestyle. I liked them better when everything was underground and kept discreet, now they are pushing for MORE rights then straight families are allowed with the urging of certain feminist individuals.

Having said that, I do not like the LGBT movement whatsoever especially the militant lesbian side. Have you ever met a Lesbian who wasn't militant? I have yet to meet a feminist woman who considered herself religious and actually understood the reasons a conservative, patriarchal society was important. American gays have been lumped in with these anti-societals and encouraged to be more open about their behaviors, while the lesbians run the show from behind the scenes. The gay men I know are more concerned with making themselves more feminine while the Lesbians I know are concerned with controlling male reproduction. Who is the true enemy of Islam? Militant Lesbians and Feminists.

Did you know that quite a large portion of the gay population I speak to, hate lesbians. While the media would love you to believe otherwise, most gays dislike them. Gays share a common ground with straight men, and I am of the opinion that most gays are actually just men with dysfunctional genes. Some of my gay friends are of a similar opinion, they believe they were born that way, while almost all of them agree that their early influences led them into their lifestyle, usually abuse or neglect. I have no ill will against people who were treated as such or born that way and I get along superbly with most gay men and trannies who are really just gay men. Its when women/feminists and lesbians stick their opinions where they don't belong and try and control male power structures that the problems start. Gay men have been seen throughout history, even the Arabic cultures took to gay tendencies. There has never once in the history of man, been a culture which has survived more than 100 years, ruled by militant women. When men allow themselves to be ruled by women, they do things that don't make logical sense, usually quite selfish and bad things. Pandering to women is particularly dangerous, every MAN on on this forum can agree to that.

So did they deserve it? No but the blood is on the hands of the American Men who allowed themselves to be ruled by women. The current rules that both straight and gay men abide by have been written by militant lesbians and they do NOT work for our society. This is why it is so easy for Islamics to radicalize.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I am in no way against gays as long as they do not interrupt society flaunt their sexuality in public or force their ideals on me and mine. One of the individuals I watch quite frequently is Milo Yannopolous. A gay, religious: christian, man against the LGBT movement and pro-straight male. I spent my teenage years in and out of raves which were mostly run by gay men (club kids) who never tried to get me to try their lifestyle. I liked them better when everything was underground and kept discreet, now they are pushing for MORE rights then straight families are allowed with the urging of certain feminist individuals.

Having said that, I do not like the LGBT movement whatsoever especially the militant lesbian side. Have you ever met a Lesbian who wasn't militant? I have yet to meet a feminist woman who considered herself religious and actually understood the reasons a conservative, patriarchal society was important. American gays have been lumped in with these anti-societals and encouraged to be more open about their behaviors, while the lesbians run the show from behind the scenes. The gay men I know are more concerned with making themselves more feminine while the Lesbians I know are concerned with controlling male reproduction. Who is the true enemy of Islam? Militant Lesbians and Feminists.

Did you know that quite a large portion of the gay population I speak to, hate lesbians. While the media would love you to believe otherwise, most gays dislike them. Gays share a common ground with straight men, and I am of the opinion that most gays are actually just men with dysfunctional genes. Some of my gay friends are of a similar opinion, they believe they were born that way, while almost all of them agree that their early influences led them into their lifestyle, usually abuse or neglect. I have no ill will against people who were treated as such or born that way and I get along superbly with most gay men and trannies who are really just gay men. Its when women/feminists and lesbians stick their opinions where they don't belong and try and control male power structures that the problems start. Gay men have been seen throughout history, even the Arabic cultures took to gay tendencies. There has never once in the history of man, been a culture which has survived more than 100 years, ruled by militant women. When men allow themselves to be ruled by women, they do things that don't make logical sense, usually quite selfish and bad things. Pandering to women is particularly dangerous, every MAN on on this forum can agree to that.

So did they deserve it? No but the blood is on the hands of the American Men who allowed themselves to be ruled by women. The current rules that both straight and gay men abide by have been written by militant lesbians and they do NOT work for our society. This is why it is so easy for Islamics to radicalize.

I'm sorry, but you are WAY off topic today. The gays are not the story. The radical Gay agenda is a topic for another thread. The fact is 50 people were murdered in cold blood by a MUSLIM for being gay. We've already established you don't want to kill gays, and they don't want to kill you. Now that we've established some base humanity here, what is the elephant in the room? Islam - the only one of these ideologies that settles argument with a sword instead of conversation. Stop blaming the victim. I wouldn't expect you to blame the victims of the Charleston shooting on BLM radicals and don't do it here to individual Gay people.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Stop blaming the victim.

Stop using the feelz. This is a very close minded way of approaching a very sensitive problem such as this one. In previous christian culture, gay bashers used to frequent the streets. Gays were hung in many cultures and in the animal world they are destroyed by the pack leaders. I know you hate islam but the elephant in the room is the LGBT's rising popularity and forcing their ideals on others. This is not a one way street and in no way a 'senseless tragedy', it is purely political in nature. Do you also believe that women who walk around in short skirts getting fall down drunk, carry no responsibility for being raped and should not be held accountable in any way shape or form? You only need to look to Germany and Sweden to see how well that is working out.

Common sense is in very short supply in our society. You have to look at a problem from all angles, Islam pre-dates the new wave progressive movement. If you are going to flaunt something 80% of society is against and knowingly do it in a VERY pro-islam society, there will be repercussions. We do not live in a vacuum and no amount of group hug politics is going to change that.

I wouldn't expect you to blame the victims of the Charleston shooting

Apples and Oranges but again not 'senseless', there was reason for it and it is/was political in nature. Even that shooter wasn't radicalized in a bubble, nor was Elliot Rodger or any of the other political shooters. If we fail to address the underlying problems, we can fully expect more violence. Taking Islam away is not going to fix the problem. Taking away guns will also not fix the problem. Blaming everything on 'the shooter and his mental capacity' is marginalizing and denying the wider societal problems at hand. No one wakes up and says, "You know what, today I'm gonna go kill me some 'insert group here' ". For the Charleston shooting, a better reactionary measure would have been for wider society to include more white males in black social gatherings and encourage inter-racial marrying, instead we put a band aid over the problem, swept the political issues under the carpet and now have BLM out there causing even more racism and violence. The wider issues are still being left unaddressed. When people are left alone and discouraged from interacting socially, they develop strange and often anti-social ideas. I know this for a fact, I've seen it happen to friends and relatives. The problem here is that our society only encourages societal interaction from a select group of people. Favoritism.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-shooters-worker-filled-rage/story?id=39811453

"When I say that he was unstable or unhinged, I mean this is a man who would lose his temper for no reason. He would kick walls, slap desks. I’ve seen him throw the chair across the room one time," Gilroy said.

His ex-wife said he was clearly a "sick person" who finally "went crazy." His father said he was a "polite" young man whose actions can't be explained. A former co-worker said he was "filled with rage." A childhood friend only said he was "different."

There was reason but wider society dismissed him and his issues. Someone knew something, and no one is speaking up about it. They did the same thing when Columbine happened. Everyone who had ever been bullied and beat up in school knew exactly what they were thinking. The news media and wider idiotic society pretended it was about guns, mental illness and 'senseless violence'. All BS to save face from admitting that there was a much bigger elephant in the room that was NOT being addressed. And what happens in reaction? People get together, change their avatars to the rainbow flag, hold candle light vigils and sing songs. None of this will prevent another shooting. You can't both encourage Islam and LGBT.

BTW 'Victim Blaming' is a recent term cobbled together out of the 'rape culture epidemic'.

On a separate note, people are acting like this is the most important killing in history. Was there a reason that Americans dropped a nuclear bomb, obliterating a Japanese city? Yes. Was it senseless? No. Could it have been prevented? Possibly. What was the total head count? 135,000. Done in a time where people understood that things happen for a reason.

 

[speed dawg]

The answer isn't more Christianity, it's less Islam. All religions are stupid, but Islam is the worst. And it's the only one that kills people for lifestyle choices.

I disagree. If you leave people to their own vices, something will fill that void. The answer is very much so, more Christianity. REAL Christianity, not what you see a lot in mainstream America, which is people IDENTIFYING with Christianity, yet not walking the walk.

 

[Serenity]

@LiveFreeX Funny how you think religion unites tribes of humans under one God. My observations supports the opposite, it unites a tribe within itself. Seeing as there's numerous religions and plenty of gods, then each tribe with their respective god fight each other over insignificant differences. Religion does have a uniting effect, if the individual agrees to what the religion requires them to do. It has a splitting effect in it's "head stuck far up their a55" attitude towards anything that slightly deviates from the religions texts or their leaders commands.

What's the most pathetic is how both sides are equally ignorant. Both sides fight based on their own religious text, both justify the most evil things with sh!t written in a fvcking book. When they argue they reference their own book and claim to an equal degree they're on the right side. I will bet my fvcking balls that in Islam they rationalize violence against Christians exactly the same way Christians justify violence against Muslims. That they need to protect their religion from the foreign (and of course wrong) forces. They believe on both sides they're doing the right thing.

I'm just sitting on the sidelines wondering how different opinions can justify killing and war. Nobody wins on this.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I'll throw a couple thoughts out there. One is that as societies decay (as they inevitably) do, governments need to promise more "stuff" in order to maintain power. This "stuff" is not just physical stuff, but the idea that "people" aren't supposed to do anything, and the government is supposed to provide everything.This creates a slow increase in "time preference" which means people are less capable of delaying gratification.

It also erodes "traditional" values, like family, Christianity, etc. It also affects how a society is structure, economically. We've been moving away from a "production" (factories, etc) economy to a "consumption" economy.

Traditional, family and community based religions (Christianity, Judaism) require delayed gratification to thrive. They are at heart, the enemy of government.

Second, as societies "decay" it's easy for "fringe" ideas to sneak in, much like ****roaches and rats are more likely to be found in broken down houses than well maintained homes.

As Rome collapsed, they were less able to defend themselves against these ****roaches and rats (loosely organized barbarian tribes). As the U.S. collapses, we are unfortunately being infested with rats and ****roaches from within (SJW types) and without (radical Islam).

If you watch the news carefully, you'll find these "events" NEVER happen at Christian Sunday barbecues where everybody is armed.

This type of "event" will likely increase in frequency, and there is little to gain by arguing over which "candidate" or "system" is better or who's at fault.

It would be more pragmatic and rational to simply recognize and accept that WE ARE DYING as a society, and protect yourself by surrounding yourself with like-minded, and ARMED friends and neighbors.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

@LiveFreeX Funny how you think religion unites tribes of humans under one God. My observations supports the opposite, it unites a tribe within itself. Seeing as there's numerous religions and plenty of gods, then each tribe with their respective god fight each other over insignificant differences. Religion does have a uniting effect, if the individual agrees to what the religion requires them to do. It has a splitting effect in it's "head stuck far up their a55" attitude towards anything that slightly deviates from the religions texts or their leaders commands.

What's the most pathetic is how both sides are equally ignorant. Both sides fight based on their own religious text, both justify the most evil things with sh!t written in a fvcking book. When they argue they reference their own book and claim to an equal degree they're on the right side. I will bet my fvcking balls that in Islam they rationalize violence against Christians exactly the same way Christians justify violence against Muslims. That they need to protect their religion from the foreign (and of course wrong) forces. They believe on both sides they're doing the right thing.

I'm just sitting on the sidelines wondering how different opinions can justify killing and war. Nobody wins on this.

You're absolutely right except for one sentence in the middle which sort of hints at a false equivalence. Very rarely do Christians kill Muslims in the name of Christianity. Islam is objectively worse in every way imaginable right now

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I disagree. If you leave people to their own vices, something will fill that void. The answer is very much so, more Christianity. REAL Christianity, not what you see a lot in mainstream America, which is people IDENTIFYING with Christianity, yet not walking the walk.

We may have some common ground if you're talking about what make up Christian values outside the issue of god. For example, I consider myself an ethnic Christian. I celebrate Christmas, consider Sunday a day off, and I think the family unit is the bedrock of a strong society with clear gender roles in tact.

But if you're talking about a theocracy that equates to Diet Islam which subjugates all non-Christians nonviolently then we disagree wholeheartedly. This is a secular government and it should stay that way. Christianity is reformed to its credit. I can sit through a Catholic mass and agree with most of what is said, as an atheist. But its history is bathed in blood. At one time it was as bad as Islam, just not in the last century.

Plus, it's not true. Or there is zero evidence to believe it is, so while I identify as an ethnic Christian I have zero use for Christian fundamentalism. But that's a topic for another thread

 

[speed dawg]

We may have some common ground if you're talking about what make up Christian values outside the issue of god. For example, I consider myself an ethnic Christian. I celebrate Christmas, consider Sunday a day off, and I think the family unit is the bedrock of a strong society with clear gender roles in tact.

But if you're talking about a theocracy that equates to Diet Islam which subjugates all non-Christians nonviolently then we disagree wholeheartedly. This is a secular government and it should stay that way. Christianity is reformed to its credit. I can sit through a Catholic mass and agree with most of what is said, as an atheist. But its history is bathed in blood. At one time it was as bad as Islam, just not in the last century.

Plus, it's not true. Or there is zero evidence to believe it is, so while I identify as an ethnic Christian I have zero use for Christian fundamentalism. But that's a topic for another thread

We can agree to disagree, it's all good.

Here's something I know we will agree on.....just off some dude on my facebook, that one of my friends 'liked' so therefore I see it:

"I'm so deeply saddened by the events in Orlando and the discovery in Los Angeles. I've been very unnerved all day by the fact that these have also occurred in places where My community convenes to escape intolerance, to feel safe and to celebrate diversity. It's a sad world that we live in where fear and ignorance so frequently take control of people's minds and lead them to commit these types of violent acts. I've not felt as shaken by a mass shooting in the past, as I have today.
All this aside, I'm so very grateful that today I have not seen a single post on my own feed relating this attack to the Islamic faith. It tells me that I've been fortunate enough to be surrounded by intelligent, dignified and reasonable people in my life. I was thankful a few weeks back that most of you are perverts.
Today I'm thankful that you're all decent humans."

Yep, you read it right. The guy blames ignorance and fear, rather than islam. They guy doesn't have a clue who his real persecutors are.

It's things like this, that make you go....hey, maybe they ARE after a certain group of people. What do those people have in common? You got it, CHRISTIANS (and/or people who live by Christian principles).

 

[speed dawg]

Yet that "Christian" idea is also welcoming angry Muslim terrorists past our borders.

Man, not really, at least in my opinion. I'm all for doing what's best for ALL people yes, so you have to define what that is. Letting in immigrants that will just allow for a bigger platform for terrorism is NOT what I had in mind. I see nothing wrong with protecting yourself and that isn't anti-Christian. The left uses that to shame the Christians and many fall for it hook, line and sinker. Not this white boy.

Personally I agree with taiyuu above, the US is rotten. Some of that is that we (citizens) are lazy and don't produce. But to a greater degree, it's the sheer weight of the state and the despicable appetites of our decadent elites - the politicians, the military, and the one-percenters. The people are rudderless because the rudder is broken. I know some of you think Trump will fix that but he seems to me like just another pig at the trough.

No doubt this is true. I do think Trump gives us a CHANCE, and a chance is better than the alternative.

 

[Serenity]

You're absolutely right except for one sentence in the middle which sort of hints at a false equivalence. Very rarely do Christians kill Muslims in the name of Christianity. Islam is objectively worse in every way imaginable right now

I see what you're getting at, Christians don't loudly exclaim their respect for God before killing. Which btw is an insignificant fact.

However it's narrow-minded to assume the only true motivation for Muslims to attack Christians is their love for Allah. You have to account for the fact that just like Christians may strongly associate Christian values to their life, so may Muslims associate Islamic values to their lives. They'll not only be thinking about Allah, they'll be thinking about their families just like Christians. They'll defend their values, just like Christians. They'll fight for the future of their own religious group, just like Christians. They'll fight against the wrong and twisted other religion, just like Christians.

They have the exact same reasons to fight us that we use to fight them.

 

[Asmodeus]

I see what you're getting at, Christians don't loudly exclaim their respect for God before killing. Which btw is an insignificant fact.

However it's narrow-minded to assume the only true motivation for Muslims to attack Christians is their love for Allah. You have to account for the fact that just like Christians may strongly associate Christian values to their life, so may Muslims associate Islamic values to their lives. They'll not only be thinking about Allah, they'll be thinking about their families just like Christians. They'll defend their values, just like Christians. They'll fight for the future of their own religious group, just like Christians. They'll fight against the wrong and twisted other religion, just like Christians.

They have the exact same reasons to fight us that we use to fight them.

The problem is extremism not necessarily religion. People can become extreme based on any ideology and become terrorists.
HOWEVER, there has been a significant uptick in extremism in Islam in recent decades. Wahhabism, a very extreme form of Islam has become more and more prominent. Islamic Clerics have become more and more extreme and dogmatic, there have been major Clerics who have called for a outright Jihad and who even support ISIS. Also, we do not see enough of the more moderate Muslims standing up against this and denounce it. More and more Muslims are being indoctrinated by the extremists... Christianity has had periods of extremism, certainly the time of the Spanish Inquisition was one of those periods. However, as of the current time we have not seen that kind of violence from Christians. In Islam we are seeing an increasing trend of violence... 9/11, ISIS, Boko Haram, the shoe bomber, the Boston Marathon bomber, the Ft. Hood shooter, the Beltway sniper, the Spanish Train bomber, the London Subway bomber, ect, ect... I could literally list thousands of acts of violence.
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It is not Islam that is the problem, it is extremist islam. But however extremism is starting to become too commonplace in Islam.

Therefore, I am holding Islam and all Muslims accountable. Either speak out against this insanity, call out Wahhabism, denounce the extremist clerics, denounce Sharia law (which includes such things as sying gay people should be stoned to death), and actually SHOW and PROVE to us that you are actually the "religion of peace" and fight against this extremist insanity that is taking hold. Right now Americans have more reasons to fear and distrust Muslims than they have to trust and befriend them, and those reasons are justified and reasonable with all the destruction that radical Islam has caused.

 

[speed dawg]

I see what you're getting at, Christians don't loudly exclaim their respect for God before killing. Which btw is an insignificant fact.

However it's narrow-minded to assume the only true motivation for Muslims to attack Christians is their love for Allah. You have to account for the fact that just like Christians may strongly associate Christian values to their life, so may Muslims associate Islamic values to their lives. They'll not only be thinking about Allah, they'll be thinking about their families just like Christians. They'll defend their values, just like Christians. They'll fight for the future of their own religious group, just like Christians. They'll fight against the wrong and twisted other religion, just like Christians.

They have the exact same reasons to fight us that we use to fight them.

Yeah, except we don't proactively kill people.

And you guys talking about extremism - wrong. They are just following islam. They aren't radicals. I don't know how many times you have to hear this before you heed the warning. People can just block out facts like it's nothing, I for one don't get it.

 

[Serenity]

@Asmodeus The only issue is that moderate Muslims remain moderate Muslims because they don't fight. Extremists fight, moderate Muslims (try to) disassociate themselves by not doing the same.

Fighting for the sake of peace is an oxymoron.

 

[logicallefty]

Why did this shooting happen? Because nobody in that club was packing heat and fired back at the shooter. This does not mean it's any of their fault, but it means that it might be time to arm more security guards and/or use more off duty cops for private security. One good guy's bullet can stop hundred's of bad guy bullets. Whenever this or other shootings have happened I never assume it's radical Islam at first. But in this case, they guy called 911 and pledged to ISIS. Nuff' said for me.