backbreaker
Master Don Juan
damn when did you get married cord?
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
7 months ago.backbreaker said:damn when did you get married cord?
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
MattC80 said:Does anyone here think I should at least give it a year? Go to counseling maybe?
OK,but did she try with the hubby?MattC80 said:She didn't leave her husband to be with me. When they divorced we hadn't even gone an official date. We texted though.
Marriage counseling does not work, I agree with you there. However, it sounds like this woman is still reeling from her busted marriage and unfairly using you as a punching bag for her emotions. You were a rebound, her clock is ticking, and you served as an emotional tampon. This why you don't get involved with a divorced woman if their marriage hasn't been finalized for more than a year.mikey2012 said:OK,but did she try with the hubby?
If you have to go to a counselor then I'm afraid its the end. I been there, done that. Counselling does not work..
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
But did you neg her? Ignore some of her texts or take hours to respond? Did you make sure to never tell her you liked her?cordoncordon said:when I met her, I knew. She knew.
Myself and backbreaker are the only ones I know of.TheCWord said:There are married men with happy, successful marriages. They don't post on SoSuave.
I have a girl friend who used did this to her ex. Back when I was 100% friend zoned, it's about 30% now, she would ask me if she was prettier than her new ex'is girl. She was absolutely obsessed over this ex even when she was exclusive with another dude. I remember her telling me how guilty she felt whenever she thought about him that way. I personally think the only reason why she didn't cheat is because that ex never talked to her again because he didn't like her at all.MattC80 said:At the beginning of last year, she and her husband divorce. They were married for 2 years. She tried to get him back but he was already banging some girl. She got all pissy about this and started crying a lot. She then started asking me if she was prettier than her and I told her to forget about him.
Possibly rebound..?MattC80 said:So she wasn't in a good place - but it didn't take long before we were doing things together on the weekend and we got pretty close.
Only a little over a year...? You're crazy! And she even went bridzilla while putting on some weight? She doesn't care about you...MattC80 said:We dated for about 13 months and I proposed to her. Things were OK during the engagement phase but not great because she was going buck wild with planning it and sort of ignoring me which pissed me off. We werent having sex very much during this time and she was putting on a little weight.
Yeah she doesn't care about you.MattC80 said:On our wedding night she kept telling me to hurry up when we were having sex and wanted me to orgasm faster. We went on our honeymoon - Turks and Caicos - and she was sort of doing the same thing. We were there for a week and didn't seem that into having sex with me.
How did that conversation go..?MattC80 said:We get back to my house, and she's moved in now and wants us to sell my house and buy a brand new one, and she's and pressuring me for a kid now but she's not even trying in the bedroom. We've gone a couple weeks without sex.
It's because she still cares about her ex, you're a rebound bro.MattC80 said:Last night we had a pretty big blow up and we've been fighting for awhile now. Nothing I do is good enough, even though I make a really good salary. She's also been spending a lot of time with her mom and she's sort of meddling a bit.
I would ignore this to be honest, I hate social media. I would just pay attention to all the real life signals she's giving you. But... That friend I was talking about earlier did something similar to this. She would basically stalk his facebook and posts these "inspirational" statuses or something to try and get his attention.MattC80 said:The other thing that pisses me off a bit is that we were Facebook friends when she was married and she had tons of photos of her and her ex-husband. She deleted them when we began dating, but she won't post photos of us together.
Another thing, she doesn't want to change her last name on her Facebook profile to my last name. But she did for her ex. I know this is petty, but it's disrespectful.
I'm considering counseling or at least a trial separation.
So yeah TLR - My wife is being a b!tch 6 months into our marriage.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
MattC80 said:Brief story here...
Met my wife at my job. I'm 32, she's 30.
We both work in finance and I always had sort of a thing for her, but when we first met she was married. We got to know each other on recruiting trips through our job. Her and I and a few other associates would fly to different parts of the country and we'd always make small talk and I could sense we were connecting. I was sort of frustrated because she wasn't available - and I was in the later stages of breaking it off with my girlfriend.
This was about two years ago.
At the beginning of last year, she and her husband divorce. They were married for 2 years. She wanted kids and he didn't and I guess he kind of drifted away from her. She tried to get him back but he was already banging some girl. She got all pissy about this and started crying a lot. She then started asking me if she was prettier than her and I told her to forget about him.
So she wasn't in a good place - but it didn't take long before we were doing things together on the weekend and we got pretty close.
We started dating, got official, having sex on the regular and things were amazing and nearly perfect. I went fishing with her dad and met almost all of her family members. I text her brother like every other day. We attended a few weddings over that summer so she met all of my family.
We dated for about 13 months and I proposed to her. Things were OK during the engagement phase but not great because she was going buck wild with planning it and sort of ignoring me which pissed me off. We werent having sex very much during this time and she was putting on a little weight.
On our wedding night she kept telling me to hurry up when we were having sex and wanted me to orgasm faster. We went on our honeymoon - Turks and Caicos - and she was sort of doing the same thing. We were there for a week and didn't seem that into having sex with me.
We get back to my house, and she's moved in now and wants us to sell my house and buy a brand new one, and she's and pressuring me for a kid now but she's not even trying in the bedroom. We've gone a couple weeks without sex.
Last night we had a pretty big blow up and we've been fighting for awhile now. Nothing I do is good enough, even though I make a really good salary. She's also been spending a lot of time with her mom and she's sort of meddling a bit.
The other thing that pisses me off a bit is that we were Facebook friends when she was married and she had tons of photos of her and her ex-husband. She deleted them when we began dating, but she won't post photos of us together.
Another thing, she doesn't want to change her last name on her Facebook profile to my last name. But she did for her ex. I know this is petty, but it's disrespectful.
I'm considering counseling or at least a trial separation.
So yeah TLR - My wife is being a b!tch 6 months into our marriage.
Yeah, agreed. Especially with this new info about your mother, it's at least worth a shot having a real talk with her - after you've taken the precautions the other posters have outlined for you.captain55 said:Your fault for getting married in the first place. Brother what the **** were you thinking? My advice is talked to here sincerely about how you feel, but don't make yourself look like a ***** or weak. only chance to save your marriage put your foot down and tell her your not comfortable with her bull****.
Keep your mother in the house. You will regret any decision contrariwise.MattC80 said:I'd also like to add that there are a few issues in my personal life that have hindered our relationship. One is that my mother is ill and she currently lives with us. We sort of have a plan to move her out but the cost of assisted-living is $2000 at the lowest. My mom and dad are divorced so it's on me to sort of take care of things on that end. It's been sort of a strain balancing my wife and my mom in the same house.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.