"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Manipulation and Power Stuggle vs. Moral Values

DmanD

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Lately I have had a certain epiphany in life. As I interact with more people, especially girls, I find out that many have personal, egotistic agendas and attempt to manipulate you to in accordance with it. The sense of achieving power or satisfying one's desires rules many people.

Also, I have read Robert Greene's books on power and seduction, and was exposed to Machiavellian thought in other books. And my dilemma is where do you emphasize moral values over personal achievement.

For example would you manipulate people to achieve something you want?

What if both parties benefit from the manipulation is it justified then?

Perhaps moral values are just a tool to control the masses?

After all, gaining power and satisfying your ambitions cannot allways be done in a "clean" and civilized manner.

I would like to hear your thoughts on the subject,
Dmand
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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MooseGod

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Yeah if you really think about it, every relationship is a "give-take" thing...IE, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Just try to keep it about a 50/50 ratio and the moral dilemma is solved.

If you try to be too nice to everybody and their precious feelings you'll end up being a doormat.
 

Technical1

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Machiavellian thinking is useful when people are in competition or have different agendas. In bringing it into our most personal relationships, I'm not sure whether we give ourselves an advantage or do ourselves wrong.

Alot of thinking on this website is geared towards quickly achieving intimacy with near-strangers, people who you cannot realistically trust. In that case, a machiavellian paradigm might be best suited.

In other cases you might want to simply screen and use slow rapport and trust building to the point where you dont have to think in a machiavellian way when dealing with your friends/lovers. I cant imagine that this will guarantee you maximum pvss, however.
 

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MooseGod said:
Yeah if you really think about it, every relationship is a "give-take" thing...IE, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Just try to keep it about a 50/50 ratio and the moral dilemma is solved.

If you try to be too nice to everybody and their precious feelings you'll end up being a doormat.
Modern Females have a perceived higher value so most relationships start out more like 60 / 40 simply cause its so easy for women to go get another man just like you... this makes managing a relationship with any balance a very tricky deal
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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tick37

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DonGorgon said:
Modern Females have a perceived higher value so most relationships start out more like 60 / 40 simply cause its so easy for women to go get another man just like you... this makes managing a relationship with any balance a very tricky deal
That's why if you lower your standards and go for fat chicks, you'll have all the women you need. :)
 
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