man am i getting pissed off

[Fenderules]

ok so im working hard, doing tones of approaches, not really cold but approaches at parties and friends of ppl i know. Well i'm developing my own sense of C&F, its starting to come out. I mean i never had anything at all b4 so i guess thats not bad then even though i still consider it fairly week, some girls its works better on then others. Anywayz im still not getting as far. Im getting numbers but man does it happen all the freakn time where they either A)dont answer, or B) you talk for a couple minutes, then they are like, i just gotta go pee or something and never call you back.

ok i mean i know that happens a lot. But in my case its 100% of the girls! and they range from 16-19. I mean F8ck its pissing me off. I mean i dont turn AFC anymore and get caugh over a girl. As soon as they do this, i move on to another one. And if your thinking (well he just inst meeting enough girls). this is like number 15, in a row!. I see wut i was doing wrong b4 and now i can actually talk on the phone or wutever, but the same **** happens.

the last one i though i knew "i got her". i knew her from work and i started flirting with her. At first it was wutever but hten i started pulling a little C&F and b4 I knew it, i started catching her checking me out. It was kinda freaking me out cause she always snuck a peak at me. I pretended not to notice and sometimes i did. I called it on her a couple times. Anyway one night i just felt like i was a natural DJ and had C&F, Kino and everything. The next time im leaving early to study and she is freaking out that im leaving cause there are no "hot" guys to talk 2. so i thought wut the hell, and got her number and left.

same ****.......i called a couple times and never got a call back. Of course im moving on but i cant help but wonder if im REALLy doing soemthing totally wrong thats turning off chick as much as pulliing down my pants and letting one go right in front of them. I just dont know lol. And its happening with almost ALL the chicks i know, even ones i just wanted to be friends with, and other ones that really AFC guy friends that they would still talk 2.
i really dont know lol. I can explain way back why in the beginning but i know im getting better cause im feel a lot more comfortable around girls. B4 i'd sweat and sometimes shake. Now thats almost gone. Occasionally i get it but i hide it.

 

[sstype]

Originally posted by Fenderules
ok so im working hard, doing tones of approaches, not really cold but approaches at parties and friends of ppl i know. Well i'm developing my own sense of C&F, its starting to come out. I mean i never had anything at all b4 so i guess thats not bad then even though i still consider it fairly week, some girls its works better on then others. Anywayz im still not getting as far. Im getting numbers but man does it happen all the freakn time where they either A)dont answer, or B) you talk for a couple minutes, then they are like, i just gotta go pee or something and never call you back.

ok i mean i know that happens a lot. But in my case its 100% of the girls! and they range from 16-19. I mean F8ck its pissing me off. I mean i dont turn AFC anymore and get caugh over a girl. As soon as they do this, i move on to another one. And if your thinking (well he just inst meeting enough girls). this is like number 15, in a row!. I see wut i was doing wrong b4 and now i can actually talk on the phone or wutever, but the same **** happens.

the last one i though i knew "i got her". i knew her from work and i started flirting with her. At first it was wutever but hten i started pulling a little C&F and b4 I knew it, i started catching her checking me out. It was kinda freaking me out cause she always snuck a peak at me. I pretended not to notice and sometimes i did. I called it on her a couple times. Anyway one night i just felt like i was a natural DJ and had C&F, Kino and everything. The next time im leaving early to study and she is freaking out that im leaving cause there are no "hot" guys to talk 2. so i thought wut the hell, and got her number and left.

same ****.......i called a couple times and never got a call back. Of course im moving on but i cant help but wonder if im REALLy doing soemthing totally wrong thats turning off chick as much as pulliing down my pants and letting one go right in front of them. I just dont know lol. And its happening with almost ALL the chicks i know, even ones i just wanted to be friends with, and other ones that really AFC guy friends that they would still talk 2.
i really dont know lol. I can explain way back why in the beginning but i know im getting better cause im feel a lot more comfortable around girls. B4 i'd sweat and sometimes shake. Now thats almost gone. Occasionally i get it but i hide it.

hey man, props for at least getting numbers and making da effort, it just gets easier for you from here on.

One of the biggest thing that will make or break your chances of hooking up with a girl you like is your ATTRACTIVENESS. Sorry man, but the idealism of SoSuave does not apply well to the real world UNLESS the girl is attracted to you in some way.

If you have a lean muscular body, you are attractive to most women

If you have 1000's of guys and girls friends, you are attractive

If you are wealthy, you are attractive.

Yeah you can keep on C&F, push/pull, and hypnotizing but those are only there to help fine tune your game. That is not the basis of attraction.

So what can you do man? Well the easiest and almost surefire way to be attractive is to gain muscle mass, get some trendy clothes, and just be fycking cool. American women love HUNKS, no matter what they or the DJ posters who will lash out at this statement, say.

So get that foundation down first man! Then use the methods to help increase your successes.

Thats my .02. Best wishes

 

[Fenderules]

cool thanks.




yeah i know attractivness is a big thing. I'd say im medium built, im on fitness binch right now working out everyday like crazy for the reason you stated above as well as feeling better about myself. Yeah my sytle was what held me back b4 but not anymore, i get a lot more looks now but i dunno, i pretty sure im doing something that is turning them off. While i have completely changed, i see a few smiles but still 0 results. (wut good are numbers if they dont call you)

 

[gruby]

I would say it's the attraction not attractivness. You look the way you do and i'm sure there are girls who looking at you get wet. It's just the way it is that some girls like tall skiny, other like old, short etc and yet others like tall and mascular. I discovered that it's hard to jump over that -- that is gauge her attraction to you early on and you will know whether to persue or cut you losses.

 

[chancer]

you're doing good man... Take a step back for a second and ask yourself how much you care about the outcome of any approach? In general, you should work on you, for you only. Just don't give a **** when you're talking to girls. Use C&F because you like the technique. Talk to girls because you like being social, and you like talking to girls. One thing that made all of the difference for me was being positive and optimistic about everything.

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

Hey I was having the same problem!! I thought I was the only motherfvcker alive who would approach women, get interest, get numbers, and when you would call her, she would be like, "Oh, right now I am watching t.v., or eating dinner, or doing my nails, can you call me back, or I will call you back." And if you call, she wont answer. And if you were waiting for her to call, you might as well be standing outside in the rain waiting for Jesus to come back riding on a white horse.

MindOverMatter posted that you should first tell the woman that you are doing this or that on this or that day (in other words set up the date) and tell her that she ought to meet you there or you will come back and get her. If she declines, you already know she has low interest, and will flake on you. If she says yes, THEN and ONLY then shall you write down her number.

This actually works a little better than just getting her number to set up the date. You should set up the date, and that would make the ONLY reason you are calling her is to pick her ass up.

 

[Wiesman44]

1) AFCness doesn't matter when dealing with high school girls. They dont know what they want, and if they did, it doesn't matter anyway.

2) Not every girl will respond to someone they meet from a bar / social setting. I have a lot of 21-23 yr old girl friends, and this topic has come up a lot. Even girls this old say bars / social settings can be very sketchy at times. Meeting through friends is a sure-fire way to get girls as long as u strike a connection.

3) Your type of personality matters a lot. Being ****y, confident, and acting like you know what you want means jack sh#t if you dont have a personality that everyone is attracted to and that everyone looks up to. Personality is #1 in a girls mind. 2) is attraction. You got personality, and you're attractive, then your in. No personality, but attractive, u might get a one nighter if u meet that day. But call her the next day ? Forget it. you're done.

 

[tmpgstx]

I really think there has to be some sort of physical/natural/strong attraction first though - in the nonverbal sense.

I know guys that hang out with girlz that make them laugh do all that the kino etc. etc. and are in lost in that Bermuda Triangle known as the friendzone. They were sunk right from the start. Why? just no natural attraction there. It's like when you don't find a girl attractive that you put in the 'friends zone'. She can have a wonderful personality but it doesn't mean Jack because there is no natural unspoken nonverbal attraction. Nothing she can do or say can change it .. no attaction there at all.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

DJ tmpg whatever your name is, this is not true - men are not women and thus her nature and thinking is not ours!!! Men initiate contact with a woman because of her physical - women obviously have eyes but their brains are wired to consider more than the physical attributes of a man and to look at the "TOTALITY" of the man!!!

Thus, personality, humor, strrength, power, etc of a man weigh into the decision of a woman when looking at the "attractiveness" of a man!!!

 

[tmpgstx]

I strongly disagree PRL. No .. men are not like women, but they are human. It takes longer for them to get sexually aroused as opposed to a man, but the fundemental prinicpals for attraction are the same across both sexes.

If there is no 'natural' attraction there, nothing and no personality can change this. Someone's personality can grow on another person yes, but that's only because there was some degree of attraction there to begin with otherwise.

It all starts from the non-verbal aspect of things and then progresses depending upon.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Are you using the word "natural"i in place of "physical" attraction??

It is natural for women to judge you physically but it is also "natural" for them to judge you on your masculinity which encompasses more than the physical!

I'm not talking about hors here - I'm talking about women!!

 

[CLOONEY]

Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover


I'm not talking about hors here - I'm talking about women!!

hahahaha. Holy fukc PRL, I cant stop laughing every time I read your posts now!

Too funny!

 

[tmpgstx]

No one said anything about hos here .. doesn't always come down to that.

I mean physical attraction. Natural as opposed to a strong 'gut' level attraction .. in other words some attraction but doesn't necessarily have to be that strong. Someone's personality can either enhance or degrade it.

The way you put, you're saying any guy with confidence, humor and a great personality can attract a woman off this alone, though she may have absolutely no physical attraction to him. This is just not true. If there is absolutely zero physical attraction there (and yes from day 1), there never will be. Period. You can twist it all you want, and has nothing to do with hos. Hos happen to be women too whether we like it or not.

It's the same thing when you don't find a girl attractive on a physical level. She may be thin or whatever, but just nothing there. It works both ways.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Originally posted by tmpgstx
No one said anything about hos here .. doesn't always come down to that.

I mean physical attraction. Natural as opposed to a strong 'gut' level attraction .. in other words some attraction but doesn't necessarily have to be that strong. Someone's personality can either enhance or degrade it.

The way you put, you're saying any guy with confidence, humor and a great personality can attract a woman off this alone, though she may have absolutely no physical attraction to him. This is just not true. If there is absolutely zero physical attraction there (and yes from day 1), there never will be. Period. You can twist it all you want, and has nothing to do with hos. Hos happen to be women too whether we like it or not.

It's the same thing when you don't find a girl attractive on a physical level. She may be thin or whatever, but just nothing there. It works both ways.

It is not the same and it doesn't work both ways!!

A man's attraction is purely based on a physical level and this is what makes us initiate contact; on the other hand, a woman DOES consider other things beyond the physical that makes a man "attractive" - this is their nature - this is why you have men who have extremely attractive girls only because they are funny, or have muscles, or wealth or have status (such as politicians or athletes or VP's of corporations)!!!

You never see a man with power, money, status, or athletes with a ugly woman but you do see these less then spectacular looking men with beautiful, albeit horish women!!!

I mentioned hors here because hors have a masculine nature and thus the "woman" status doesn't apply to them here since hors are solely physical creatures first and foremost!!! Hors will fcvk every man they find physically attractive but will only marry those who she can benefit the most from - financially!!!

BTW, the definition of A HOR IS "iF YOU ARE SEXING A GIRL AND SHE ISN'T YOUR WIFE THEN "SHE" IS HOING!!!!"

THIS DEFINITION APPLIES TO DAMN NEAR ALL WOMEN TODAY!!!

 

[tmpgstx]

on the other hand, a woman DOES consider other things beyond the physical that makes a man "attractive" - this is their nature - this is why you have men who have extremely attractive girls only because they are funny, or have muscles, or wealth or have status

I agree, and this my point to. She does consider things beyond the physical, but there has to be some physical attraction there to begin with in one form or another in order for her to even consider looking at things beyond a guy physically. In situations with people she absolutely has no physical attraction for whether they're fat or lean, wealthy or not etc., nothing will change it.

Some will date guys for the sole purpose of money with no attraction for him at all physically. It isn't for him or finding him attractive, it's his money .. no different from prostitutes. It's like a guy that can nail older women he absolutely has no attraction for but for her money (and there are guys like that out there - just a Gigalo). Don't ask me how they get it up .. maybe Viagra ..lol.

This is how guys that are C&F, good-looking, and everything the girl should want, but is in the friendz zone. She just has no physical attraction to him whatsoever and for whatever reason. His wonderful personality can't change that for her. If she's a gold-digger and he has mucho money, then yeah, he'll get to tap that azz .. but not because he's attractive to her in the physical or personality realm of things.

Oh yeah .. you'll get guys that to us are ugly or even considered ugly by most other girls, but he may have that smile that hits her in just the right way, or he may remind of her someone she really does or has found attractive, or it could be his eyes alone .. or even a great nose. This is where women differ from men in the physical attraction sense, they can take one physical attribute of a guy and have it make or break him.

For example, and this is true, i know three girls that said (without them telling each other or me telling them the other one said it), that they couldn't stand to watch Tom Hanks films because of his nose. One girl said she had to walk out it bugged her so much. My point is, they can really accentuate or degrade even the simplest of physical features whereas a man looks at the overall theme (curves etc.).

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

That is what i'm saying, "attraction" to a girl is based on the totality of a man!!! I'm not talking about hors that like men for their money or status - these are hors and they don't count!!!

Woman are attracted (physically) to a man based on non-physical features -- their vision is different!!!

I find hors physically pepulsive but most chumps on this site would druel over pamela anderson who is a fake @ss hor!!!

Give me a average looking virtuous young virgin with a humble and caring mindset and nature over a hor and she'll win me over above and beyond the televised hors of today!!! Attraction is more than physical - especially with women!!!

Sexual physical arousal is mental as it is physical!!!

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

ATTENTION:

Women are not a chemistry exam......guys...can you stop this stuff man. Just answer the fellows question. Hey, I hope you read my reply earlier, it ACTUALLY answered your problem, while these two DON JUANS argue back and forth about whos right and whos wrong, damn, just answer the question, we are on a damn interent forum.

 

[Fenderules]

Originally posted by PVSSY-EATER
Hey I was having the same problem!! I thought I was the only motherfvcker alive who would approach women, get interest, get numbers, and when you would call her, she would be like, "Oh, right now I am watching t.v., or eating dinner, or doing my nails, can you call me back, or I will call you back." And if you call, she wont answer. And if you were waiting for her to call, you might as well be standing outside in the rain waiting for Jesus to come back riding on a white horse.

MindOverMatter posted that you should first tell the woman that you are doing this or that on this or that day (in other words set up the date) and tell her that she ought to meet you there or you will come back and get her. If she declines, you already know she has low interest, and will flake on you. If she says yes, THEN and ONLY then shall you write down her number.

This actually works a little better than just getting her number to set up the date. You should set up the date, and that would make the ONLY reason you are calling her is to pick her ass up.

thats a nice setup, i like it, i think i'll use it.