mall approaches, instant dates.. no. closing.. any tips?

[abcd_z]

All right, let's see if we can come to an agreement of sorts.

First, I'm not saying direct doesn't work. I'm sure it works quite well for you and others.

Second, I'm pretty sure you're not saying indirect doesn't work. I could be wrong, but I'm assuming you're willing to at least trust the posted experiences of other people who use indirect method (myself included).

My problems with direct are that: A) it doesn't focus on outer game (it tends to assume you naturally have enough of that), and B) it forces a woman to make a decision about you as soon as you show interest (right off the bat).

In comparison, I feel that indirect game teaches you proper outer game, and allows more of a chance for attraction to build BEFORE she has to make a decision.

Now, for the other side of the coin.

Your problems with indirect game (assuming that they're the opposite of my problems with direct game) are that A) It doesn't focus on inner game, and B) It forces you to spend too much time pretending to not be interested in her when you don't have to be.

Fair enough.


However, you would also do well to note pete101's personal preferences. He's as much as stated that he's not comfortable with a direct approach. Yes, that may very well be a limiting belief, but since we can't kick his ass and force him into sets in real life, our goal here should simply be to give him the most effective advice that he would be the most comfortable with.

And at this point, that looks like indirect.

Thoughts?

 

[DonJoseCantosie]

All right, let's see if we can come to an agreement of sorts.

First, I'm not saying direct doesn't work. I'm sure it works quite well for you and others.

Second, I'm pretty sure you're not saying indirect doesn't work. I could be wrong, but I'm assuming you're willing to at least trust the posted experiences of other people who use indirect method (myself included).

Oh of course. I definitely don't disagree that indirect works too. I do trust the FRs of indirect people. Wats to gain lying ya know? Indirect has shown to work.

My problems with direct are that: A) it doesn't focus on outer game (it tends to assume you naturally have enough of that), and B) it forces a woman to make a decision about you as soon as you show interest (right off the bat).

Yea, i agree these are the flaws. It takes a good amount of experience to really get good at it. Its more of a long term thing than indirect. Also, yea...u can potentially lose girls whom could've shown more interest overtime. Plus yea, they don't got much time.

In comparison, I feel that indirect game teaches you proper outer game, and allows more of a chance for attraction to build BEFORE she has to make a decision.

Indirect does help teach proper outer game. But the thing is, the woman has made the decision already if she at all would possibly ever consider to do something. Its just sometimes its very low to where she doesn't consider it or very high to where she doesn't pass upon the opportunity. Also, escalations with indirect game can take too long. Its very rare to escalate with a girl in a quicker manner, which some girls like.

Now, for the other side of the coin.

Your problems with indirect game (assuming that they're the opposite of my problems with direct game) are that A) It doesn't focus on inner game, and B) It forces you to spend too much time pretending to not be interested in her when you don't have to be.

Fair enough.

Yea, i think thats a big thing. They don't focus enough on inner game, having to demonstrate higher value, waiting for her to show interest before going in and having to stall showing interest. Inner game is a must to get good in the game in a constructive way. Sure, u'd prolly get laid without, but if something goes wrong for a bit, u'd be very vulernable and stuck feeling down. Thats the problem with many indirect schools, they don't focus on some inner game, which is crucial to be a strong, permanent playboy or whatever ur looking for.

However, you would also do well to note pete101's personal preferences. He's as much as stated that he's not comfortable with a direct approach. Yes, that may very well be a limiting belief, but since we can't kick his ass and force him into sets in real life, our goal here should simply be to give him the most effective advice that he would be the most comfortable with.

Oh ok! I missed it. That's all he had to say, that he wasn't comfortable with it. I just had to disagree with certain limiting beliefs he had. Yea, if he aint comfortable with direct, then yea..he should do indirect. Direct does take time to get use to.

And at this point, that looks like indirect.

Thoughts?

Thats all i really need to hear . I just didn't want him to blame upon it not being social acceptable where it just was just him being flat out uncomfortable. That makes all sense now.

So yea, Pete101, do whats most comfortable to you. ABCD Z, good stuff