"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Making Sure of Interest Level

UltimateDJuan

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I'm rather new to the "seduction" community. I understand most of the theories well, and I feel pretty confident that I could get a # from a girl after a short while of talking.

However here is my problem: I don't want numbers just out of pity or kindness. I am decent looking (definitely above average, and my looks do keep improving as I get older since i've always looked younger than my age). The types of girls that I am attracted to aren't the type who would "shoot down" a guy asking for a number -- they would go ahead and give the number anyway.

This presents a dillema -- how do I know if they are really interested or not?

The reason I ask this is because I am interested in initiating some rapport with one of my co-workers (i'd say HB8) and although the only conversation we had so far was about 20 seconds, I can immediately tell that I would be able to get a number, but it could just be her way of "being nice" since i'm a coworker and all.

Same goes with some female acquaintances i've known for a long while (who i'm not in the "friend zone" with, since i'm not too close to them). I know I could easily set up a date which they would agree to, but again, it might be out of niceness or to not seem "not nice".

I don't know, i'm confused.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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wrender

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how do I know if they are really interested or not?
There's only one tried and true way. Tell them you'd like their phone number. If you get it and they end up agreeing on a date, then I'd say you're in. I doubt these girls would take it past the initial phone call if they had no interest.

I think you need to just go with your gut here rather than ask us for various IOIs. If it's simply IOIs you're looking for than there are pleny of topics here discussing that.
 

UltimateDJuan

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It's not really IOIs i'm looking for, its whether them giving a number would be genuine or not. Even if I was able to set up a first date with them, I still don't know if that would be genuine since that could also be a part of their "being nice" process.
 

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UltimateDJuan said:
It's not really IOIs i'm looking for, its whether them giving a number would be genuine or not. Even if I was able to set up a first date with them, I still don't know if that would be genuine since that could also be a part of their "being nice" process.
Once again, you'll never be sure until they are your girlfriend, or openly admitted that they are obsessed with you. You could go on 6 dates, and she could pull the LJBF line. It's all trial and error, your job is to give it that chance, and use your attractiveness as a male to get her interest in you up. It's called the game.
 

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If things are that muddled, make a policy of kissing girls on the 1st date. In fact, it seems to be a rule that if you haven't kissed them on the 2nd date, you're going nowhere.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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UltimateDJuan

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What about a subtle way to almost have them ask you out without them really asking you out (I know asking them out is the non-afc thing to do, and yes we should do it) but isn't there a way to lead them on to implying that you should go out some time?

I don't know if this post made sense, it's almost morning over here.
 

realsmoothie

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I like the kiss thing.

Personally, if they're not willing to kiss on the first date, they're not really that interested anyhow, and are not nearly sexual enough for me.
 
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