"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Faze

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So we've kissed goodnight a couple of times. But they've all been just quick ones. Any tips on how you guys transitioned into making out without asking her? I know she likes me but she might be a bit too nervous or afraid to get "intimate".
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I think it is always better to transition from kissing to making out. The problem is that you are only kissing goodnight, find a time when you can kiss her during the date/while you are hanging out or whatever so that you have more time to. By the time you say goodbye, it is probably too late because that means you are not together thus you can't do anything.
 

Leon Phelps

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Making out is not intimate

****ing is intimate

not making out

Just ****in touch her, and kiss her a lot, and it should be natural.

And stop worrying
 

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Originally posted by Faze
So we've kissed goodnight a couple of times. But they've all been just quick ones. Any tips on how you guys transitioned into making out without asking her? I know she likes me but she might be a bit too nervous or afraid to get "intimate".

Just move in and go for the full thing, have her round your place and watch a romantic movie all cuddled up, then get really close and speak to her quietly and just move in. You can't transition into it at the end of the date, because there is an air of finality. It appears to me that you are also nervous of getting intimate or else you might have tried it already. If shes insecure, make her feel secure, but dont lose your power over her.
 

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its just a kiss, you dont need to wait till the end. if its a date and she interested just go for it. look at her hold her gaze then go in for it, you can tell from the way she looks at you if she wants to make-out.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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LikRetsam

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Heh. Ez!
Make eye contact with her, look into her eyes (You will know if she wants to make out or not) while you're close obviously, hold her hands or sides and go in for a PECK. A quick kiss like what you are accustomed too. Don't pull away. Just keep your mouth close to hers right after you peck and if she doesn't pull away or give you bad signs, go in for the kill.

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