"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Making friends with unattractive women...

scudge

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I've been hearing a lot lately about how having female friends can really help you meet more women and have more social proof... Etc.

Do they have to be hot for this to work?

The reason I'm asking this is because I have a history of making friends with girls who are kind of cute, even if I don't notice at first. Then I get attracted to them, things get awkward, and usually have to end the friendship because I can't accept being friend zoned.

I'm just wondering if I could avoid this by making ugly female friends.
Or am I just going to be wasting my time?

And if this will help me, how would I go about making a bunch of female friends?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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You can make friends with anyone. It doesn't matter what they look like. Best way to make friends is to network with existing friends and attend all functions/parties. If you're expecting them to set you up hope you have better luck than I do. I don't ask to be set up but one girl in particular sets me up with very large women (I'm not fat). Finally when she did it again I told her to never set me up again. I've never been set up with a hot woman by one of my girl friends. Not that she needs to be hot for me to date her just ok
 

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You wont get set up with too many hotties because its the ugly/fatties that NEED to be set up.

That said - make friends with everyone. More social proof, bigger social circle - everyone knows you, likes you and you'll have more chance of meeting hot girls thaty are friends of friends.

Any that see you will wonder why everyone knows you and they dont. There you go - she's already thinking about you. :up:
 

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rrrrr said:
You can make friends with anyone. It doesn't matter what they look like. Best way to make friends is to network with existing friends and attend all functions/parties.
I agree with that. You shouldn't limit yourself to being friends with just attractive people, that makes you stuck up. Also, less attractive people can sometimes be interesting in other ways.

That said, I don't believe that fat, ugly women give you good social proof, not like being with a hot woman will. Being with a hot woman is what gets women's attention. Any old slag can hang out with a fat girl. But if you're in a crowd and a lot of people know you and like you, that can be good social proof.

Purefilth said:
You wont get set up with too many hotties because its the ugly/fatties that NEED to be set up.
Unfortunately true. The attractive girls get approached on their own, and already have multiple options.
 

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It is never bad to expand your social network, so yes, you should do it. No one is gonna make you give those grenades rimjobs in the restroom. You keep it friendly and YOU put THEM in the Friend Zone, all the while improving your social status.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Nothing wrong with having ugly/fat female friends. Just don't let anyone see them coming out of your room in the morning.
 

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I personally believe that no matter the level of attractiveness a woman who is a friend provides this. Because of the what does she have that I do not factor, especially if you are fashionable and handsome.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but I've always had trouble being friends with ugly girls. I just have no motivation to talk to them, to be around them, to be seen with them...

I had a conversation about this with a female friend of mine, and she agreed. So maybe it's not just me...
 

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scudge said:
I've been hearing a lot lately about how having female friends can really help you meet more women and have more social proof... Etc.

Do they have to be hot for this to work?
I found that having female friends (good, ugly whatever) helps you meet more women period. and as far as social proof, i am pretty sure only hot women can help with that, no ones gonna praise someone for something unattractive by their side.

ARrocket said:
Maybe it's just me, but I've always had trouble being friends with ugly girls. I just have no motivation to talk to them, to be around them, to be seen with them..
I felt like this all my life, pretty much was annoyed by even making eye contact with an ugly girl, but now i try to use them to my advantage and meet more girls and its actually working for me .
 
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