LTR won't BJ - help a brother out

[Mr. White]

Hi fellas.

I have an older gal with a son who I'm keeping in the stable for now. The boy was conceived when I wasn't seeing her. Suffice to say we both get it elsewhere and will never change. She pulls the stupid girly line about how she wants me to be faithful to her, so I respond with whatever inane rubbish gets her to spread her legs.

Anyway, she's always been bad about BJs. Once she really got into it, but I wanted the fur pit so I missed out on my only opportunity to flavor her mouth up. She hardly ever takes it in her mouth even for a quick warm-up, so I just plain failed at training her. She's just no good at oral, gets her stupid teeth in the way, doesn't understand vacuuming, and so on and so forth.

How can I train her to be eager and greedy to get her mouth on it at every chance, and how can I train her how to do it right?

When (not if) I dump this one, I still need to know how to solve this behavior problem with future pets.

Thanks guys.

 

[Sue Madre]

You tell her to get down and suck it, and if she doesn't kick her out.

 

[DonGorgon]

drop her now... she is blowing other men..

 

[Mr. White]

DG, I get that feeling. It's funny that she doesn't like to kiss, that I have to force kiss her until I get the willing response that I want. Even then, she sees submission in kissing as something she only has to perform for a few seconds, then she's proven she'll do it, and doesn't have to any more. That's not right. Surrender means surrender, and not just pretending to surrender for a few seconds.

I always thought that women refusing to put out (in whatever way) was just because of sour relationships. Then they willingly let themselves get picked up, and did everything for some maybe diseased and pervy stranger, that they never gave to the man who loves and cares for them. I never heard of the idea of women saving a hole only for certain special men. Or the opposite, withholding a hole from one man in particular. But it seems reasonable to me.

She just can never get over old relationships. She bends over backwards, real new-man-in-my-life thrilled, when she gets a call from a guy who played and dumped her, or from a guy who was playing hard-to-get and didn't call her until he wanted to measure how needy she'd be. That explains why she'd drop everything at my beck and call when I made up with her. I thought it was just a hot temper, a make-up/break-up personality. Now that I think about it, she probably disrespected and brushed off the other guys when I made a make-up call to her. What goes around comes around, right?

SM, I'm cool playing the dumb brute. She's seen that behavior from me before. So I guess I was just the chump when I was nice and didn't choke her. I've lurked her for awhile, so I get the idea that I need to give her the excuse (force and violence) to submit so she can do what she always wanted to do, and what she badly needs to get from me. I think that would go a long way to helping us get along better.

When I was young, I put women way up on a pedestal, and they always let me down. Now, I don't even know what "respect women" means. I think it's just a line that women use to say "no" to chumps.

 

[x86]

SM, I'm cool playing the dumb brute. She's seen that behavior from me before. So I guess I was just the chump when I was nice and didn't choke her. I've lurked her for awhile, so I get the idea that I need to give her the excuse (force and violence) to submit so she can do what she always wanted to do, and what she badly needs to get from me. I think that would go a long way to helping us get along better.

This is the second borderline rapist we have had on this forum in my memory.

 

[Sue Madre]

SM, I'm cool playing the dumb brute. She's seen that behavior from me before. So I guess I was just the chump when I was nice and didn't choke her. I've lurked her for awhile, so I get the idea that I need to give her the excuse (force and violence) to submit so she can do what she always wanted to do, and what she badly needs to get from me. I think that would go a long way to helping us get along better.

Why are you calling this b!tch a LTR? She is not an LTR. An LTR will suck your d!ck when you tell her to.

My LTR right now didn't want to suck it at first. But I let her know it was a requirement. Now, whenever I want it sucked, I just kiss ker and push her head down.

You need to lay down the law with this b!tch. Tell her to suck it, and kick her to the curb if she doesn't obey.

 

[Korrupt]

Every girl I've been with has given mediocre to bad head. It's ridiculous.

But anyways.. I gotta be honest, if I was horny and about to get it on with a chick and told her to suck my d!ck and she refused it would totally kill the mood. Only solution might be to drop her.

 

[Mr. White]

This is the second borderline rapist we have had on this forum in my memory.

You're using the word "rapist" because...???

I think she resists it because, like all female resistance, she wants me to dominate her, make the decisions for her, and so on and so forth. If that's true, I should apply enough physical, psychological, and emotional pressure to overcome the resistance.

It looks like you're saying the opposite, that she resists because she really doesn't want it.

Do you sincerely believe that women always say what they mean? That they never ask for the exact opposite of what they really want? That women don't test men's resolve?

Besides, you're really being unwelcome to a new member by accusing him of being a rapist in the first thing your say to him. Don't pretend you never heard the phrase "choke a b----." Aren't you the same x86 who said:

heh. Last time I got a "nothing will happen" it was pretty much a green light for stuff to happen.

 

[Ease]

You are older than my dad so i'm going to have to ask you to stop using the words, 'fur-pit, vacuuming, pet'.

Cos that is disgusting.

 

[LoneWolf]

lol you guys are pretty violent. i wouldn't force a girl to give me a BJ or demand it. i think i'd just keep having sex and maybe one day she'll go down there... or one day i'll just hint it that i want it. pushing a girls head is disrespectful. unless it's just some hoe then i wouldn't care.

 

[Warrior74]

if she's you're age, maybe shes from a time when women didn't actively do that, especially if she's a minority? Not enough information to be honest.

When I was younger I used this step by stepper for girls had never done it.
"kiss my chest'
"kiss my stomach"
"give it a little kiss" *waves **** in her face*
'just 'kiss the tip'
'just lick it a little bit, see how it just taste like skin?'
'just put the tip in your mouth *oooh baby that feels so good (positive feedback)*
'a little bit more, keep going down'
'promise i won't *** in your mouth'
'now up and down'

basically walk her through it, with control and dominace. But if shes done it before and is just refusing, Fvck her. She's playing control games. next time she says no, get up, put your clothes on and leave. Tell her if she can't commit her mind soul and body to you in ever way, you cannot commit your time, resources and heart to her. Bounce out son!

If she comes back and the first thing shes not doing is gobbling, drop her for good.

 

[x86]

You're using the word "rapist" because...???

I think she resists it because, like all female resistance, she wants me to dominate her, make the decisions for her, and so on and so forth. If that's true, I should apply enough physical, psychological, and emotional pressure to overcome the resistance.

It looks like you're saying the opposite, that she resists because she really doesn't want it.

Do you sincerely believe that women always say what they mean? That they never ask for the exact opposite of what they really want? That women don't test men's resolve?

Besides, you're really being unwelcome to a new member by accusing him of being a rapist in the first thing your say to him. Don't pretend you never heard the phrase "choke a b----." Aren't you the same x86 who said:

Even if you are being figurative using that phrase it is still mildly alarming. It is the first time I have herd it. It reminded me of a guy on here called Alchemystic. I have never had to use violence I will always speak against it.

I am indeed that X86. That was a bar situation and she said "nothing will happen" before for I really got into sexual escalation. It showed she was already thinking of having sex. My work was already mostly done at that point :woo:

I think she resists it because, like all female resistance, she wants me to dominate her, make the decisions for her, and so on and so forth. If that's true, I should apply enough physical, psychological, and emotional pressure to overcome the resistance.

Use physical by making her so horny for you that the second she see you she will want nothing more but get sexed up.

Psychological is simply not being boring and showing that you can live life happily without her. That is really the only "fear" I instill.

 

[Sue Madre]

basically walk her through it, with control and dominace. But if shes done it before and is just refusing, Fvck her. She's playing control games. next time she says no, get up, put your clothes on and leave. Tell her if she can't commit her mind soul and body to you in ever way, you cannot commit your time, resources and heart to her. Bounce out son!

If she comes back and the first thing shes not doing is gobbling, drop her for good.

Exactly. This is what I said. I'm sure this woman has done it before and is just being a b!tch. That's why I said kick her out. You can't leave if it's your own place.

 

[Mr. White]

Lone Wolf, all women want to be treated like hos in the bedroom, right?

Korrupt, you're right that most women are bad at it. If she's blowing one or more of her other guys, it could be that she does a Bad Job on them ..... and she doesn't want me to start criticizing her about it too. Just pushing it into her mouth might not produce satisfactory results. After all, she did it right only once. That coulda been purely circumstantial (such as the angle of our bodies).

Like I said, she has a lot of mental baggage and somehow the brain doesn't connect right to the mouth.

Warrior, I think I'll try your training method for now. I can always get brutal later.

This b--- and her bastard son will soon enough get thrown out like yesterday's trash. Before that happens, I'm going to use her so I can get experience fixing this problem.

 

[LoneWolf]

Lone Wolf, all women want to be treated like hos in the bedroom, right?

i don't think all women want to be treated like a hoe in the bedroom. maybe a lot do but not all. i would only treat a hoe like a hoe, if you get what i mean.

 

[IamJosan]

I need to learn a trick to make girls do it too! I was fvckin this girl once and I tried to pull her down but she wouldn't do it. She said I don't do that. And I said why not, and she just said 'because'. So I just continued doing what I was doing but it got me kinda mad.

I've only had it from this one girl who was a total noob at everything. So I just guided her through it. It was funny seeing her choke though haha

 

[Sue Madre]

I need to learn a trick to make girls do it too! I was fvckin this girl once and I tried to pull her down but she wouldn't do it. She said I don't do that. And I said why not, and she just said 'because'. So I just continued doing what I was doing but it got me kinda mad.

I've only had it from this one girl who was a total noob at everything. So I just guided her through it. It was funny seeing her choke though haha

When she says "I don't do that" it's a lie. Ofcourse she does that, just not to you.

When they say that, it's disrespect. So you get up and leave.

 

[DonGorgon]

DG, I get that feeling. It's funny that she doesn't like to kiss, that I have to force kiss her until I get the willing response that I want. Even then, she sees submission in kissing as something she only has to perform for a few seconds, then she's proven she'll do it, and doesn't have to any more. That's not right. Surrender means surrender, and not just pretending to surrender for a few seconds.

I always thought that women refusing to put out (in whatever way) was just because of sour relationships. Then they willingly let themselves get picked up, and did everything for some maybe diseased and pervy stranger, that they never gave to the man who loves and cares for them. I never heard of the idea of women saving a hole only for certain special men. Or the opposite, withholding a hole from one man in particular. But it seems reasonable to me.

She just can never get over old relationships. She bends over backwards, real new-man-in-my-life thrilled, when she gets a call from a guy who played and dumped her, or from a guy who was playing hard-to-get and didn't call her until he wanted to measure how needy she'd be. That explains why she'd drop everything at my beck and call when I made up with her. I thought it was just a hot temper, a make-up/break-up personality. Now that I think about it, she probably disrespected and brushed off the other guys when I made a make-up call to her. What goes around comes around, right?

SM, I'm cool playing the dumb brute. She's seen that behavior from me before. So I guess I was just the chump when I was nice and didn't choke her. I've lurked her for awhile, so I get the idea that I need to give her the excuse (force and violence) to submit so she can do what she always wanted to do, and what she badly needs to get from me. I think that would go a long way to helping us get along better.

When I was young, I put women way up on a pedestal, and they always let me down. Now, I don't even know what "respect women" means. I think it's just a line that women use to say "no" to chumps.

you are dealing with a ho... all women have an inner ho... but she is showing the basic signs of a woman in multiple relationships not just a fling on the side... some other dude has her heart and she is staying with you for some other conveniences that you provide...

You are not in a good position here at all.. and it bad for you self esteem .. GET OUT NOW and give no explanation just dump her..

 

[DonGorgon]

When she says "I don't do that" it's a lie. Ofcourse she does that, just not to you.

When they say that, it's disrespect. So you get up and leave.

1000000% TRUTH!!! to live by