"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I have been with the same woman for about 10 months. We both were not in school at the time of meeting each other, and took half a year off from school. We both started college at the same time and I noticed something when this started.

For some reason I didn't think she would care too much about her appearance when going to school. I know I really do not care much about how fantastic I look. I mean, I take a shower if im grungy lookin and Ill throw some jeans and a Tshirt on or some gym shorts. But the girlfriend religiously takes a shower before class and makes sure her hair is perfect and does the eyeliner and all the makeup and stuff.

Is this how girls are? She claims she loves me and all that, and gets really jealous if I am with other woman and all that.

She only gets good looking for me if we go out to a movie or with friends or something. But for school its something she basically has to do.

Is this just a girl thing?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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think about it, she wants to look GOOD to the other girls, who wants to look rough? girls are class A b1tches to each other so she has a reputation to keep.

besides, if your games good enough it doesnt matter what she looks like, she will ALWAYS want to be with YOU.
 

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This is normal behavior.
Of course she does it for attention but like Pectoralis said, it's also to look good for the girls.

I like to look nice when I go to school and I like my girl to look nice on all occassions. You should be happy she takes pride in her appearance.

Would you rather date the girl who is known as the plain, homely looking one who doesn't care about her appearance?
 

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I was just curious, because the only reason I would put so much effort into my looks is if I was looking for a new woman. I dont know if that applies to woman as well. It just seems like shes getting pretty for other men. I mean, thats what makeup and sexy outfits are for right? Its just irritating to see her get good looking for class but when she comes to see me it looks like she just rolled outta bed. And the only time she dresses up for me is if we go out in public.

She shows absolute loyalty to me. And treats me with respect. But at times its almost like she has to impress others that do not matter to her.
 

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1. Women are bombarded with what the media and advertising want them to believe is beautiful -- i.e. skinny, blond, fashionable, makeup, smells like a fruitbasket, etc.

Hence the dieting, highlights, ugly-@ss boots, eyeliner, and perfume.

Otherwise, they feel ugly, as if they're missing something in life. Doesn't have to make logical sense -- it's a classic female emotional response.

2. Women have always relied on their looks to attract men. It's an arms race.

3. They want attention, even from people who "don't matter". It feels good to be desired.

I told my ex once not to wear makeup, and she freaked out. She said, "But I feel ugly!"

I then told her that I don't want her to wear makeup because she's naturally beautiful and shouldn't paint her face to feel good about herself, just because pop culture says so. That really made her day.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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pvf94 said:
I have been with the same woman for about 10 months. We both were not in school at the time of meeting each other, and took half a year off from school. We both started college at the same time and I noticed something when this started.

For some reason I didn't think she would care too much about her appearance when going to school. I know I really do not care much about how fantastic I look. I mean, I take a shower if im grungy lookin and Ill throw some jeans and a Tshirt on or some gym shorts. But the girlfriend religiously takes a shower before class and makes sure her hair is perfect and does the eyeliner and all the makeup and stuff.

Is this how girls are? She claims she loves me and all that, and gets really jealous if I am with other woman and all that.

She only gets good looking for me if we go out to a movie or with friends or something. But for school its something she basically has to do.

Is this just a girl thing?
Yeah, let it go.

Of course she doesn't care as much about her appearance around you, she should be fairly comfortable with you now if you're in a LTR, you're her BOYFRIEND. She should forget about her insecurities about looking good and whatnot around you.
 

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pvf94 said:
I have been with the same woman for about 10 months. We both were not in school at the time of meeting each other, and took half a year off from school. We both started college at the same time and I noticed something when this started.

For some reason I didn't think she would care too much about her appearance when going to school. I know I really do not care much about how fantastic I look. I mean, I take a shower if im grungy lookin and Ill throw some jeans and a Tshirt on or some gym shorts. But the girlfriend religiously takes a shower before class and makes sure her hair is perfect and does the eyeliner and all the makeup and stuff.

Is this how girls are? She claims she loves me and all that, and gets really jealous if I am with other woman and all that.

She only gets good looking for me if we go out to a movie or with friends or something. But for school its something she basically has to do.

Is this just a girl thing?
Think about it. How often do you sit around in mesh shorts and a tshirt when she is around. But then, even if you are just going out with your guy friends, you will clean yourself up a bit.
 

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Its like she is dressing to impress. But who the hell is she trying to impress? She is not going for a job interview, and shes not a social butterfly that needs a ton of friends.

The point is, she does it for random nobodies that she claims dont matter to her. But she rarely does it for me. Actually she will do pretty much anything I tell her to. But I try not to be a pure d!ck.

I honestly am not worried about her cheating on me, its just the way she does things seems bizarre to me. I mean, you ever notice how alot of woman that are content and happy with their boyfriend just were some sweats and their boyfriends hoody to class? Shes not like that...she will but not out of her own free will.
 

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I'm in the same boat. My girl is always looking fine even when I'm not around. I talked to her about wearing clothes that are too revealing. She told me she does that only when I'm around. She told me I'm the only one who deserve to see that or be around her when she's wearing really sexy outfit.

So, if your girl always fixes herself that's great. But if she goes out all the time with her b*obs popping out and her as$' there for everybody when you're not around then it's up to you. If you don't like it that she dresses like that to school all the time then you have to tell her. But if you mean just make up, and straight hair and things like that then you shouldn't worry too much. You should be happy just like Teflon said :rockon:
 

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vagrant said:
I'm in the same boat. My girl is always looking fine even when I'm not around. I talked to her about wearing clothes that are too revealing. She told me she does that only when I'm around. She told me I'm the only one who deserve to see that or be around her when she's wearing really sexy outfit.

So, if your girl always fixes herself that's great. But if she goes out all the time with her b*obs popping out and her as$' there for everybody when you're not around then it's up to you. If you don't like it that she dresses like that to school all the time then you have to tell her. But if you mean just make up, and straight hair and things like that then you shouldn't worry too much. You should be happy just like Teflon said :rockon:
yea, makeup straight hair, a shower every single time before school, or atleast head under the sink/tub to get hair clean. She does not go to school showin her boobs and ass off or wear clothes that show her sexy belly and navel. Shes pretty good with that. She covers the goods up for the most part. Nothing overboard. I guess I was over analyzing the whole situation.

She actually wore my jeans to school today...after I *****ed about her always putting effort into looking good for class. She keeps proving to be a keeper.


Any further input guys?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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She is human and hence bound by the carnal desire to be desired... She feels good about her self and her looks and enjoys compliments and comons she gets from guys and girls..

These are the things you need to do:

1. START LOOKING BETTER MORE STYLISH and clean cut she will like you more and other women will like you more which will increase you confidence and desirebleness which will improve her attraction to you...

2. DONT CHASTISE HER EVER FOR LOOKING GOOD that will make you seem weak and insecure...

3. Do not start obsessing ver what she is doing and why.. you go about and flirt and make females friends so she is the one wondering what you are doing and why...
 
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She's in a relationship. She knows she has him, so she doesn't need to impress him any more. Not in and of itself a problem, but it does indicate a larger problem: namely, a lack of attraction for him.

To pvf94:
Decrease your attainability. Spend less time with her, spend more time with your buddies. Be social with everybody, and especially other women. Become scarce, but only because you actually have other stuff to do. Don't make any excuses for this, either. When you do let her spend time with you, have her dress up nice. Expect to take some heat for your new behavior. When this happens, ignore any seeming logic that comes out of her mouth. Tease her about it and use the opportunity to brush up on your C+F skills.

Oh yeah, and lead, lead, lead. You're the guy. It's your job to lead the interaction. Figure out what you want her to do, and have her do it.

Best of luck.
 
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