"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Pair A Dice

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Scaramouche said:
Dear Pair a Dice,
Sounds like you Blew (No Pun Intended) a great little Plate...You wasted,money and effort for what!....Lets reverse the situation,how would you have reacted? Full marks though,for an impeccable seduction routine,now swat up on lesson two.
How would I have reacted? Well, I wouldn't be in that position because I don't fvck guys, but if I were her, maybe I'd be a bit put off, but I'd make damn sure to not let it get to that position by being a more-willing partner.

The only reason those words left my mouth were because it turned aggravating, giving her orgasms, but not having any of the pleasure focus going the other way. I don't mind pleasuring, but at the same time, it's a two-way street.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Well, in your defense, a lot of what you are describing or did say is emulated in pornography. Which is what most men watch and use to understand what sex is supposed to be. Which is, unfortunately, very false.

IDK man, some chicks would have responded well to this. I've had some nasty shi.t spoken to me in my day. I've said some things that made me feel uncomfortable but she really liked it...maybe it was just bad timing...or maybe it came off too c0cky. Just learn from it. Clearly you're not an @ss, you knew what you said was over the top, shi.t man live and learn, I'm not sure there's any other way with women.

I've also noted -- if a chick doesn't "give back", then it's going to be a continued shi.t deal. I was once with a chick who said she "doesn't do" *******s, yet asked me to go down on her more than a few times. My mistake at the time was I was too young to contest or use some sort of clever mindset to flip the coin...but looking back a lot of those types of chicks are just spoiled bishes, a lot of them not used to really giving anything back to anyone anyways.

Live and learn man. Maybe give it a week and try and contact her again. Maybe she could understand if you were caught up in the moment -- she might even give you another shot.
 

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I must have missed the part in the original post that talked about the sex "being all about her."

Although I have to say that women who don't bother to shave down there are usually very narcissistic. They think any guy is lucky to have them and that they don't have to try to make themselves presentable.
 

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Mate, you need to build up the dirty talk and not just blurt it out of the blue after all night of going on a date, drinking and playing kissy face. Like all things related to women, dial up the analog volume knob.
 

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Pair A Dice said:
By the second time I said something, I was just done with it all. I've never made this mistake before and won't again.

Understandable.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Pair A Dice said:
Not sure what you're getting at.
I personally thought it was a little too much too soon with a girl you just met face to face, especially the “Suck my dick or I’m going to jerk it on you. Pick one.” line. It felt to me like over-negging.

But like it's been mentioned, it does work with some girls.

The ones with low self-esteem. ;)
 

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vatoloco said:
I personally thought it was a little too much too soon with a girl you just met face to face, especially the “Suck my dick or I’m going to jerk it on you. Pick one.” line. It felt to me like over-negging.

But like it's been mentioned, it does work with some girls.

The ones with low self-esteem. ;)
Wasn't trying to over-neg there. Just wanted to let her know I was going to get my rocks off somehow — like she got hers — and whether or not she wanted to be involved in it, it was up to her.

I expected a bad response, mainly because I was done with the situation that night, and got it.
 

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Whatever you do dont apologise now. You have set a frame of sorts and if she contacts you again - all go, if not - too bad and move on to the next.
 

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Pair A Dice said:
Wasn't trying to over-neg there. Just wanted to let her know I was going to get my rocks off somehow — like she got hers — and whether or not she wanted to be involved in it, it was up to her.
Okay, that's fair. But if you want better results: DO, don't SAY. Let me explain:

When I'm having sex with a woman, I almost never verbalize things. I just grab and position her as I want to do her, whether it's missionary, doggy, etc., with limited verbalization, except for a sporadic "come here," instructing her to come closer to the edge of the bed, etc.

Just my $0.02...
 

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vatoloco said:
Okay, that's fair. But if you want better results: DO, don't SAY. Let me explain:

When I'm having sex with a woman, I almost never verbalize things. I just grab and position her as I want to do her, whether it's missionary, doggy, etc., with limited verbalization, except for a sporadic "come here," instructing her to come closer to the edge of the bed, etc.

Just my $0.02...
I DO, don't worry. Results aren't an issue with me. My patience is when something isn't a two-way street.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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