"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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LR: I never thought it was possible to have a sh1tty lay

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I've always thought that there was no such thing as a bad lay. Even the not so pretty chicks I banged, I had a good time (for the most part it was enjoyable). When I was younger (18-25) I took a liking to older women (27-35ish .... ok I had a few closer to 40). I loved the cougers, they knew what they wanted, liked sex with little strings attached. Very straight forward.

Once I approached 30, I started takin a likin to the 18-20 yr olds. Well for kicks last week, I ended up hooking up with one of my old flames from about 5 years ago. Well she's about a dozen years older than me and for the first time, I didn't enjoy it.

I hard a hard time gettin it in. This was after I had been rubbin her cl1t, caressing and kissing her breasts etc.... She just wouldn't naturally get wet. I finished within a couple of mins to get it over with.

The next morning, I thought I'll try again. Once again, had a hard time gettin it in. Makes me wonder how rapist can enjoy sex (I know its the whole power thing) But I tell you, I could almost taste dust with my c0ck down there. Just no appeal to me.

I can't see myself with a women over 40 again for a long long time.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I think you know what the answer is MacAvoy. One cannot always rely on nature. You would have encountered a corresponding problem with inhibited women, however the problem would have been slightly different.

More than anything physical, I think a lack of responsiveness is psychologically demotivating for a man. Maybe at some evolutionary level we realise that we are sowing our seed on infertile ground.
 

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That's what you get for fukking a grandma.

J/K

I don't think I have ever had a BAD lay. Most of them were average (duh). A couple were a little below. Two that come to mind were AWESOME.

The two that were awesome were my two good LTR's. Coincidence? I doubt it.

Several of the average or below average ones showered me with compliments and told friends, but I thought they were.....eh. How does that work?

The women who CLAIMED to be good in bed beforehand were NOT that good.
 

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I met an older woman at a bar last night.

She wasn't bad for 57; we drank and bull****ted a bit, then she asked if I'd ever had the 'sportsman's double', a mother and daughter threesome?

I said no.

We drank a bit more, then she says that tonight was my lucky night.

I went back to her place.

She put the hall light on and shouted upstairs:
"Mom, you still awake?"
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Phyzzle said:
I met an older woman at a bar last night.

She wasn't bad for 57; we drank and bull****ted a bit, then she asked if I'd ever had the 'sportsman's double', a mother and daughter threesome?

I said no.

We drank a bit more, then she says that tonight was my lucky night.

I went back to her place.

She put the hall light on and shouted upstairs:
"Mom, you still awake?"
:crackup: Dear Lord, please say it aint so.

To the OP: This generally happens when you lower your standards because you ran a dry spell. Promise yourself... NEVER AGAIN. Damn, last time this happened, I basically had to tell the girl to leave. We were naked and doing all kinds of stuff, but I just couldn't get it up. Poor girl. LOL. Or maybe poor me for ever considering her. You never know what a girl looks like without that push-up bra and designer jeans.
 

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Pvssy starts at fabulous and only gets better.

Quit being a b1tch. Break out some lube and go to town on that ass. Then cvm in her butthole.

speed dawg said:
I can't see myself with a women over 40 again for a long long time.
WTF? I love older women. Only for sex though.
 

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joekerr31 said:
did her coochie smell like bengay?
Ive had some that smelled pretty rank. But i just didn't go down on it in those cases. The good thing is your nose is far enough away even from a stank one if you just do it regular.
 

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The thing that you have to keep in mind is who this women was. She was a women that I would call and get her to be my errand b1atch. I totally had her wrapped around my finger. So I had no interest in going down on her, letting her totally enjoy it. She was lucky to get the foreplay that she did.

If I ran into a hot 40+ yr old, I'd definately put the time in to get her worked up properly. My whole point was that it was my first experience with older pvssy, and not one that I particularly enjoyed.

I wouldn't so much say I was on a dry spell, I just have no standards and always held the theory that I'll take 2 million lays good or bad as opposed to 1000 great ones. I've always been about quantity. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy quality at the right time, I just separate my screwing of wh0res from the ladies that deserve to be screwed in a good way.
 

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I think back to my AFC days when I found the woman I was to marry and later divorce. She told me that she never had good sex, so I took it upon myself to change that. WORST Friggin sex I ever had, ever. My di*k hurt from fuggin and I thought it was from years of neglect. I should have taken that as a sign but c'mon to an AFC any sex is good right? I wouldn't even touch it now with Speed's Di*k. (I can get you her number if you want it though)
My point in bringing this up is that if the sex is bad there is either something physically wrong or mentally wrong. My guess if that's she's older, she has lube problems, which is why they sell that stuff to begin with. Otherwise, she's just not that into you!)
I think we are to get sex on our terms when we want it, that's what separates us from the AFC's.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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