"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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LR: Fclose David D Style

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Beautifully faced girl came over. We watched a cheesy movie until I whipped out a choice of yazee or a sex game. We played the sex game until we started totally making out. I patiently used breathing and light biting/sucking on her neck while ever so lightly manipulating her nipples. Goosebumps just as David D claims. I find this works on some girls better than others, with the other responding more to sucking at the nape of neck. However, smelling/breathing worked perfectly for her.

Anyway, I ended up tasting the taco and we had sex twice, sin condome. She has a beautiful face and is a really sweet girl. It is the times like this that makes everything I go through rejection and frustration wise soooooo worth it. I was really hurting inside, and this pleasant surprise came at just the right time.

Lessons Learned:
Always have some alcoholic chic drink. She will only have one but that gives her an "excuse" why it happened.

If a girl asks you more than once on the tele what you've been up to or what you're doing it is very likely that she's hinting to be invited over.

If a girl comes to your apartment and sits on your bed to watch a move, it is almost a given she'll make out with you. Always make sure there is no where to sit and watch a movie besides in the bedroom. In fact, my frontroom has exactly one chair and my tiny kitchen has none. Perfect!
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Heh, I've had girls giggle when I breathe/smell... it wasn't really LMR, just random giggling.

I don't do it anymore :(
 

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Originally posted by fender85
Nice, but why without condom???
Man, having sex with a condom is like eating a steak with a balloon on your tongue (stealing a quote from somewhere)

It's soooooo boring. I would rather make out.

Without a condom, on the other hand...oooo
 

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Originally posted by Alphathree
Man, having sex with a condom is like eating a steak with a balloon on your tongue (stealing a quote from somewhere)

It's soooooo boring. I would rather make out.

Without a condom, on the other hand...oooo
you risk your healht/life b/c of temporary happiness/good feeling?

also go into more detail with ur LR please..

how did you open/# close her? what did you do/say?

other than this I really don't see the point of this LR, I learned nothing
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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White:

Your definitely right about using a condom to be safe, it should be a must for all of us. But DAMN it definitely takes all the fun away from fuvking!! Its like here you have a hot @ss byatch butt-naked, dripping wet and you can't feel a damn thing!! LOL But in the end, I'd rather wear a rubber and live, then have one good fuvk and be 10 ft away from the grave.




PIMP
 

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good work dude, but dont taste the taco until she slobbed on your knob
 

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Originally posted by Pimp-sicle
White:

Your definitely right about using a condom to be safe, it should be a must for all of us. But DAMN it definitely takes all the fun away from fuvking!! Its like here you have a hot @ss byatch butt-naked, dripping wet and you can't feel a damn thing!! LOL But in the end, I'd rather wear a rubber and live, then have one good fuvk and be 10 ft away from the grave.




PIMP
preach brother preach!! lol I know man, it is really hard even though it seems like it shouldnt be... when you are caught up in the moment u dont want to waste time with a condom especially since fvcking witha condom sucks so much more

I've done it a few times without one and while it felt really good I really really regreted it the next day

I've gotten strep throat from hooking up with a hb8 and it is NOT FVCKING WORTH IT! I was out for 2 dam weeks feeling like complete ****! I feel wayy behind in school, i couldnt workout, i lost a lot of weight, all i did was lay around and do fvcking nothing.Lucky it was only strep and it went away but what if it was aids or herpies or something?

thats why whenever I see someone not using condoms i try to hammer it in their head that is a very bad idea
 

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Originally posted by everywomanshero
Beautifully faced girl came over. We watched a cheesy movie
The perfect scenario - That's ER!C L!VE style too.

Originally posted by everywomanshero
If a girl asks you more than once on the tele what you've been up to or what you're doing it is very likely that she's hinting to be invited over.

If a girl comes to your apartment and sits on your bed to watch a move, it is almost a given she'll make out with you.
Yep. This does help the situation.

Being that I'm 30 and most of the girls I meet and attract are 18-23ish I've had alot of younger girls come over who just have no idea what to say to me. Some have the deer in headlights look, but most just play it cool and have a regular conversation with me. I'll ask them questions about themselves, their past bf's mom, dad, etc. I've found that how they've been treated by their father or past bf's is usually what they'll be attracted to.
Anyway, most girls don't act overly interested or forward. They usually stand there and wait for me to tell them what we're doing. eg: watching tv, playing footsie, banging, etc...

I've only had one who was standoff-ish, but I could tell that was her personality (she just wasn't too bright and would stare at the TV). She was content with just sitting there - no entertainment required. Easy lay.

I've posted my style many times, but I'll tell it again:

I get the girl to my place via chlorform and the standard line, "Does this rag smell like flowers to you?" k, j/k.

Get the girl to my place, start watching movie or tv, talk until we're both comfy. Then, when she's not ready, I'll plant one on her lips.

If she reacts like I just killed her cat, then I'll know she's not down.
If she's cool with it and runs with it, then I'll be getting laid.



Ok, I'm joking, I don't really get laid :cheer:
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Originally posted by everywomanshero

Lessons Learned:
Always have some alcoholic chic drink. She will only have one but that gives her an "excuse" why it happened.
Or give her a non-alcoholic drink and tell her that there is alcohol in it. In fact, it's better. Because if she ever tries pissing you off in the future you can be like "By the way, there was no alcohol in that drink the other night".
 

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Originally posted by white_hype
you risk your healht/life b/c of temporary happiness/good feeling?

also go into more detail with ur LR please..

how did you open/# close her? what did you do/say?

other than this I really don't see the point of this LR, I learned nothing
I met her on yahoo. She lives about .5 miles from me.

I was in Chicago so I couldn't respond. BTW, it's about 1000x easier to sarge in Chicago than a small city like St. Louis, and St. Louis metro area has over 2 million people. You guys living out in Small Town USA really have to move ASAP, or don't and leave more chics for the rest of us :) Best part about CHicago is the Latin chics are easier to find in numbers.


My lay report always includes a lesson learned section where I point out things that went right or wrong. The tiniest details such as where chairs are located can determine whether or not you get laid. Doc Love claims you must become a love detective. I clam you must become an fclose detective.. studying successful fclosers until you can do so more than 50% of the time with girls you just met. If your rates are higher than 50%, then ignore anything I say. You're already higher than me, and I may actually hurt your chances. I don't track success rates of girls I cannot isolate because that's too difficult.

David D. teaches about chair location and smelling neck as well as some other things that helped make this a successful lay. I don't get caught up in the politics of who truly invented what. For our purposes, the only thing that matters is if it gets us laid or not.
 

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Re: Details

Originally posted by everywomanshero
I met her on yahoo. She lives about .5 miles from me.

I was in Chicago so I couldn't respond. BTW, it's about 1000x easier to sarge in Chicago than a small city like St. Louis, and St. Louis metro area has over 2 million people. You guys living out in Small Town USA really have to move ASAP, or don't and leave more chics for the rest of us :) Best part about CHicago is the Latin chics are easier to find in numbers.


My lay report always includes a lesson learned section where I point out things that went right or wrong. The tiniest details such as where chairs are located can determine whether or not you get laid. Doc Love claims you must become a love detective. I clam you must become an fclose detective.. studying successful fclosers until you can do so more than 50% of the time with girls you just met. If your rates are higher than 50%, then ignore anything I say. You're already higher than me, and I may actually hurt your chances. I don't track success rates of girls I cannot isolate because that's too difficult.

David D. teaches about chair location and smelling neck as well as some other things that helped make this a successful lay. I don't get caught up in the politics of who truly invented what. For our purposes, the only thing that matters is if it gets us laid or not.
uh ok

I think I might start trying that internet dating stuff since I see how easy it is for all of you. I think I'm just going to put some pics up and a little about myself and just try for F closes and not really worry about it too much and still focus on real life approaching

I do the chair stuff do in that I only have 1 chair in my room (for desk/computer) and I take it to put on some musci and make her sit on the bed while a movie/tv is on

works like a fvcking charm
 

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Originally posted by Alphathree
Man, having sex with a condom is like eating a steak with a balloon on your tongue (stealing a quote from somewhere)

It's soooooo boring. I would rather make out.

Without a condom, on the other hand...oooo
Well that's a given, but health > pleasure. If making out's more fun, keep making out.

General rule of thumb: no condom = no sex.
Peace.

-Bill
 

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Originally posted by white_hype
uh ok

I think I might start trying that internet dating stuff since I see how easy it is for all of you. I think I'm just going to put some pics up and a little about myself and just try for F closes and not really worry about it too much and still focus on real life approaching

I do the chair stuff do in that I only have 1 chair in my room (for desk/computer) and I take it to put on some musci and make her sit on the bed while a movie/tv is on

works like a fvcking charm
As I type this the same girl is getting ready to come over again, so much for sarging the bars tonight! I have another date from online tomorrow night. She's a little more paranoid. It will be a real test of how far my skills have came. If I cannot game her, I'll at least learn something new.

As far as just throwing up a profile and waiting for hoardes of chicks to come in, I don't think that's going to work. I hope you're just being sarcastic. Internet pickups take a long time. When it happens, it does tend to happen really fast. Once they come over or have you over, it's almost always on the same evening. However, it may take a lot of searching or talking to them many times to get a winner. Sometimes they agree right off the bar, other times I've talked to them just as friends for months and never dreamed anything would happen. Bottom line is it's very unpredictable just as is making friends with many women at bars. Sometimes you fclose, something you use her to get her friends, sometimes she suddenly puts out after acting uninterested.

Online, even in a big city, there is only a fraction of the number of women you could run into in one evening. How many of those even read all their messages? How many of those will ever really meet anyone at all? How many of those will waste your time with email/calls that go no where? Think you'll ignore her and that will make her chase you? Nope! She'll just get bored and move on. Doesn't work with online chicks, at least not until they've been over a few times first.
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Re: Re: Re: Details

Originally posted by everywomanshero
As I type this the same girl is getting ready to come over again, so much for sarging the bars tonight! I have another date from online tomorrow night. She's a little more paranoid. It will be a real test of how far my skills have came. If I cannot game her, I'll at least learn something new.

As far as just throwing up a profile and waiting for hoardes of chicks to come in, I don't think that's going to work. I hope you're just being sarcastic. Internet pickups take a long time. When it happens, it does tend to happen really fast. Once they come over or have you over, it's almost always on the same evening. However, it may take a lot of searching or talking to them many times to get a winner. Sometimes they agree right off the bar, other times I've talked to them just as friends for months and never dreamed anything would happen. Bottom line is it's very unpredictable just as is making friends with many women at bars. Sometimes you fclose, something you use her to get her friends, sometimes she suddenly puts out after acting uninterested.

Online, even in a big city, there is only a fraction of the number of women you could run into in one evening. How many of those even read all their messages? How many of those will ever really meet anyone at all? How many of those will waste your time with email/calls that go no where? Think you'll ignore her and that will make her chase you? Nope! She'll just get bored and move on. Doesn't work with online chicks, at least not until they've been over a few times first.
whoa... how long did it take u to get these girls to meet with you in real life? you said months?!?!? WTF

I have read on other boards where dudes just get like 2 good emails going (he sends 1 she responds he sends another asking for her number and offering to exchange) then talk on the phone 1-2 times and meet up in a public place and game from there

that should take maybe 1-2 weeks at most

they just mass email like 40 girls every so often and will get maybe like 10% to respond back which cannot be calculated to how much an improvement the internet dating stats go up since previously it was at 0...

what sites do you use? just yahoo personals?

I think I'll do this and try to prove you wrong on the timing (I hope lol)... b/c there is no fvcking way I am wasting months trying to get some chick from the fvcking internet to meet up with me especially since there is probably 10 hotter/cooler girls walking around outside my door right now
 

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No, No

It doesn't take months. Some girls will meet you right off the bat as I said earlier. Other girls you may talk to and think of as friends will suddenly want more. It occurs both ways. What I am suggesting is that sometimes the rules guys set for themselves will haunt them. I have been "just ffriends" with a number of really HBs online for months and then suddenly they wanted to sleep with me. I enjoyed talking to them, I wasn't trying to get in their pants. To sound like a woman, "it just happened". It could happen the first day you get her number or 1 year later. With online chicks, you should get them to sleep with you on the first meeting about 50% of the time. By the second or third meeting you should almost always have slept with her or you're doing something wrong.

The important thing is to make it easy for "it to just happen". Have a couple of drinks, don't get her drunk, but just give her the excuse that she had some drinks. Watch a movie. Have no chairs for her to sit in. Use all the standard tatics. Unless you're seriously screwed up looking it's bank. It's now "just happened" wih me around 15 or 20 times. This is a repeatable accident.
 
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