Losing one's virginity

[jacob]

Are you on your ****ing period or just trying to get your cherry popped? And yes the term virginity = effeminate. It was initially intended to define a woman that is "untouched" in a sexual nature. If I'm not mistaking it was the Romans (perhaps out of inherent social laziness or maybe they were just too busy sodomizing one another ) that foolishly began applying the term to males as well. I'm not a huge fan of scripture but why is it even bothered to apply the label "virgin" to Mary and not Jesus? "The virgin Jesus" (lol) seems more like a mockery and is way out of place. Sure he supposedly never had sex before but lets be realistic.

You can even witness this on a social level. It DOES hurt a male socially speaking to be abstinent (I know from first hand experience and numerous different experiences from other males as well) then it does for a female to remain a virgin. In fact it RAISES a woman's (especially a highly attractive one) value to the nth degree. You have to be a Goddamn fool to ever deny this. For a MAN it's the total opposite. Think of that horrible movie "The 40 Year Old Virgin" from years back. I don't think you can gather such a wide audience if the main character was a female instead of a male. In that case you'd have better luck catering to the porn industry.

This whole "virginity" thing is clearly doing him more harm then good so it's a good idea if he rejects that effeminate label (as should other males) altogether.

Well there is a centuries old war between good and evil that's being fought for the hearts and minds of humanity, and that movie "The 40 year old virgin" is just another propoganda tool to enforce the idea that it's somehow "horrible & undesirable" to be chaste as a male.

The more it's propogated by "them" as "undesireable" then this generation will think it's true.

Now here's a truth, not only is this guy a rich superstar athlete with a beautiful wife, but this Brazillian soccer player was also a virgin before he got married.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n..._kaka_admits_he_was_a_virgin_when_he_married/

 

[corrector]

Are you on your ****ing period or just trying to get your cherry popped? And yes the term virginity = effeminate. It was initially intended to define a woman that is "untouched" in a sexual nature. If I'm not mistaking it was the Romans (perhaps out of inherent social laziness or maybe they were just too busy sodomizing one another ) that foolishly began applying the term to males as well.

What are you talking about?

I'm not a huge fan of scripture but why is it even bothered to apply the label "virgin" to Mary and not Jesus? "The virgin Jesus" (lol) seems more like a mockery and is way out of place. Sure he supposedly never had sex before but lets be realistic.

This is a retarded comparison. The term "virgin" Mary refers to the fact that she did not have sexual intercourse with any man before Jesus was born and that was the miracle of virgin birth. No man has produced any baby so it's irrelevant if a man is a virgin or not for purposes of child-birth. This was prophecied both in Isaiah 7:14 to happen and in Gen 3:15.

For the record, the virgin Mary is a pagan concept adopted to Christize goddesses like Diana and call them Mary instead. Mary did have intercourse with Joseph after Jesus was born, and Jesus had two half-brothers named James and Jude and is not really a virgin.

You can even witness this on a social level. It DOES hurt a male socially speaking to be abstinent (I know from first hand experience and numerous different experiences from other males as well) then it does for a female to remain a virgin.

Total and absolute BS. The more I read posts on the site the more I'm sold this is a garbage view. Take this thread, Alex DeLarge, is called "gay" because he has no problem interacting with women and getting offers but is a virgin holding out. He doesn't look like he is experiencing any social problems. Look at people like Maxtro who are not virgins and they can't get a girl to save their life unless they pay money to a prostitute.

Maybe it boils down to looks. If you look good, then you'll have no problem finding women to "deflower" your virginity and throwing themselves at you. If you look bad, then even if you are not a virgin, you'll be at a social disadvantage. It sounds better if someone just waits for the right girl rather than get initiated into "sex" and start knowing what they are missing and developing cravings they can't fulfill without paying a prositute since they can't get sex on demand.

As Maxtro said, losing your virginity is not the issue for a guy, it's finding sex again once you've lost it because now you'll really want it again, and if you can't, or have issues getting it in the first place, then you'll wish you never lost your virginity.

In fact it RAISES a woman's (especially a highly attractive one) value to the nth degree. You have to be a Goddamn fool to ever deny this.

Bullocks, this really is retarded. A woman starts losing her value of being a virgin after the age of 26 years. Women have pressure to lose it too otherwise they are labelled a "prude". This is not the Victorian era. From what I know, a woman over the age of 28 y/o starts feeling bad that she is a virgin.

For a MAN it's the total opposite. Think of that horrible movie "The 40 Year Old Virgin" from years back. I don't think you can gather such a wide audience if the main character was a female instead of a male. In that case you'd have better luck catering to the porn industry.

What is wrong with 40 year old virgin? It was a good movie. It shows the 40 year old virgin guy (played by an actor who was not a virgin himself by the way) had class and would not settle to get laid until he found the right woman who respected him and was meant for each other. He had no problems settling to get laid if he wanted to.

In fact, what this movie does show that you could get sympathy lays from women easily if you advertise the fact that you are a virgin. Women threw themselves at the character from his older female boss, a freak from a bookstore, a drunk girl at a club, etc... but he kept refusing them until he found the right girl. If anything, the other character obsessing over his ex-girlfriend looked like the most pathetic. None of the other characters looked like they were don juans in the movie script either and that the "virgin" guy had all the easy opportunities to have sex as he was egged on by his other friends.

At the end of the day, the friends of the character looked shallow while the main character had class. It shows that he didn't care about losing his virginity with the wrong woman and simply waited and eventually found the right woman to lose it with after marrying her (guaranteeing he will have a continued supply of sex after he lost it -- rather than continuing to risk STD's going after drunk bar chicks or women at random). So really, you didn't see this movie.

This whole "virginity" thing is clearly doing him more harm then good so it's a good idea if he rejects that effeminate label (as should other males) altogether.

Perhaps you only have to worry about that from shallow women who probably have STD's anyway.

 

[rhcp83]

Do you have a desire to have sex with a woman?

If I think she's really really hot and sexy, of course, otherwise I don't. i see a lot of women I find attractive, but don't find them "sexy"...would still have sex with them, but don't feel that deep lust.

But yeah there are women I see where it's like "I want to bang her"...usually hot/sexy women.

 

[Huffman]

Bro I've been afraid of attachment all my life. Because I'm just a nice dude who hates to see girls burn after you dump them.

But because of this fear of starting a relationship I've given away so many chances... you never know, maybe your missing out on a great time? So yeah I don't think you can avoid it, you have to break a heart some time, can't run from it forever. You just have to risk it if you want to reap the rewards.

And I'm not only talking about "chances" for sex, but also to also to have a possibly awesome girlfriend.

 

[rhcp83]

I'm not afraid of getting attached to any one girl, I'm afraid of getting attached to sex and being one of those guys who craves it like food and is all about having sex with anything that walks.

When I hear from some guys on here that once you have vaginal sex, your body craves it from there on, that scares me since right now while I'm attracted to women/want to meet women, I have plenty of other things going on in my life and am not disappointed or bitter or frustrated about not meeting women.

It scares me that I could stick my thing in a pvssy and the next thing you know I'm on pof and okcupid hooking up or trying to hook up with fatties and UGs or women not at all my type.

I'm in a position at the moment where I masturbate about twice a month, don't look at any porn whatsoever, and while I wish I had a woman my type, I'm fine without one in my life.

My friend says that bjs are better than sex (I've had bjs from a few different girls and didn't think they were a big deal) but I don't know.

 

[C-quenced]

What are you talking about?

Can you actually read or did getting your panties in a bunch result in limiting your comprehension?

This is a retarded comparison. The term "virgin" Mary refers to the fact that she did not have sexual intercourse with any man before Jesus was born and that was the miracle of virgin birth. No man has produced any baby so it's irrelevant if a man is a virgin or not for purposes of child-birth. This was prophecied both in Isaiah 7:14 to happen and in Gen 3:15.

Uhmm no ****. You just further proved my point that comparing male abstinence and virginity (which technically should ONLY apply to females) is beyond ****ing stupid. While the bible does tie significant importance and even EMPHASIZES the virgin aspect to Mary it still doesn't downplay Jesus refusal to engage in fornication. In fact there's more of a "spiritual" importance for Jesus regarding this matter yet he doesn't get tagged with the "virgin" label. Ironically you chose to ignore the obvious and throw off the entire debate, not to mention I only used the bible as reference purely as an example.

For the record, the virgin Mary is a pagan concept adopted to Christize goddesses like Diana and call them Mary instead. Mary did have intercourse with Joseph after Jesus was born, and Jesus had two half-brothers named James and Jude and is not really a virgin.

Sure okay The mother of all ****ing conspiracies and conveniently you were present to witness it unfold right before your eyes :crackup: Please enlighten me :crackup:

Total and absolute BS. The more I read posts on the site the more I'm sold this is a garbage view. Take this thread, Alex DeLarge, is called "gay" because he has no problem interacting with women and getting offers but is a virgin holding out. He doesn't look like he is experiencing any social problems. Look at people like Maxtro who are not virgins and they can't get a girl to save their life unless they pay money to a prostitute.

There are straight men who have no problem interacting with women and get offers as well. Your point is? Alex DeLarge is FICTIONAL and appears to be more of an extremely flamboyant homosexual then anything else. Maybe he has homosexual or even bisexual tendencies and is holding out for the right guy. I know very little of the character and could honestly care less.

Maybe it boils down to looks. If you look good, then you'll have no problem finding women to "deflower" your virginity and throwing themselves at you. If you look bad, then even if you are not a virgin, you'll be at a social disadvantage. It sounds better if someone just waits for the right girl rather than get initiated into "sex" and start knowing what they are missing and developing cravings they can't fulfill without paying a prositute since they can't get sex on demand.

Are you ****ing kidding me??? Finding a woman to "Deflower" you or waiting for the "right" girl? I'm honestly finding this painful to read. Please tell me you're joking. I know it's bad enough however I couldn't imagine it getting any worse. I swear this has to be the end of society as we know it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deflower

As Maxtro said, losing your virginity is not the issue for a guy, it's finding sex again once you've lost it because now you'll really want it again, and if you can't, or have issues getting it in the first place, then you'll wish you never lost your virginity.

I "kind of" regretted the first time having sex too. Only because I realized all the opportunities I thrown away with some real hotties years prior to this event. Quit using one persons experience (Maxtro) as a confirmation bias and then extrapolating to every last person in here. Even in his case which isn't very unusual at all (it's called being a guy) he can still get out there and make the best out of himself. I'm certain that he knows this himself.

Bullocks, this really is retarded. A woman starts losing her value of being a virgin after the age of 26 years. Women have pressure to lose it too otherwise they are labelled a "prude". This is not the Victorian era. From what I know, a woman over the age of 28 y/o starts feeling bad that she is a virgin.

Are you sure that a woman is depressed over the fact that she's a virgin or simply because she just couldn't get a guy in the first place? There actually is a DIFFERENCE you know? You do realize the agony and despair so many women go through later in their lives after riding the c*ck carousel from their teenage years onward to their late 20's and early-mid 30's right? Especially when the dreadful reality of alpha males wanting nothing to do with them suddenly rears it's ugly head.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/depressed-women-have-more-sex/story-e6frf7kx-1111115847004

Or maybe it's in a woman's nature to be depressed no matter the circumstances?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1189894/Women-happy-years-ago-.html

Backup your claims stupid. Who ever said a woman is more prone to depression after your chosen arbitrary age of 26 simply for remaining a virgin and what causes a significant drop in her market value? Even women themselves are aware of the fact that every different penis that goes inside of them exponentially degrades their market valuable. Are you ****ing retarded dude?

What is wrong with 40 year old virgin? It was a good movie. It shows the 40 year old virgin guy (played by an actor who was not a virgin himself by the way) had class and would not settle to get laid until he found the right woman who respected him and was meant for each other. He had no problems settling to get laid if he wanted to. In fact, what this movie does show that you could get sympathy lays from women easily if you advertise the fact that you are a virgin. Women threw themselves at the character from his older female boss, a freak from a bookstore, a drunk girl at a club, etc... but he kept refusing them until he found the right girl. If anything, the other character obsessing over his ex-girlfriend looked like the most pathetic. None of the other characters looked like they were don juans in the movie script either and that the "virgin" guy had all the easy opportunities to have sex as he was egged on by his other friends.
At the end of the day, the friends of the character looked shallow while the main character had class. It shows that he didn't care about losing his virginity with the wrong woman and simply waited and eventually found the right woman to lose it with after marrying her (guaranteeing he will have a continued supply of sex after he lost it -- rather than continuing to risk STD's going after drunk bar chicks or women at random). So really, you didn't see this movie.

Who the hell models REAL-****ING LIFE after a Hollywood script especially a highly unrealistic one at that? Get off the crack pipe dude. In the real world slapping the "virgin" label on your forehead is a sure-fire way NOT to get laid.

Perhaps you only have to worry about that from shallow women who probably have STD's anyway.

Sounds like a really bad case of cognitive dissonance on your behalf. I didn't mean to shatter your hopes (or maybe I did) of finding a sweet girl that would like you simply for who you are.
http://outre-monde.com/2010/07/16/cognitive-dissonance-rationalization-and-the-importance-of-grief/
Keep in mind that "shallow" women who literally sleep with anybody is what you have to deal with most of the time. The odds are heavily stacked against manginas and conveniently you fit right in that category.

To my knowledge the OP is being genuine in asking for assistance, and in giving advice to him that should be given to your daughter or sister isn't going to make his situation better but is certain to make it worse.

 

[corrector]

Uhmm no ****. You just further proved my point that comparing male abstinence and virginity (which technically should ONLY apply to females) is beyond ****ing stupid. While the bible does tie significant importance and even EMPHASIZES the virgin aspect to Mary it still doesn't downplay Jesus refusal to engage in fornication. In fact there's more of a "spiritual" importance for Jesus regarding this matter yet he doesn't get tagged with the "virgin" label. Ironically you chose to ignore the obvious and throw off the entire debate, not to mention I only used the bible as reference purely as an example.

I think you are the one smoking a crack pipe if you do not think a virgin birth is a miracle that specifically has to be noted to emphasise the fact that no man had sex with Mary before Jesus was born. You don't think a "virgin birth" is a miracle to a point that the virginity of the mother would have to be at least mentioned?

I do not care about any pagan-catholic idolatrious religion that diefies Mary and affixes the name "virgin". No where in the Bible is Mary referred to as "the virgin Mary". This is purely a Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox creation credited to Constantine himself so if you insist on using this then you have no point.

What is the point of arguing with you? You know nothing about history. Probably a Roman Catholic yourself.

There are straight men who have no problem interacting with women and get offers as well. Your point is? Alex DeLarge is FICTIONAL and appears to be more of an extremely flamboyant homosexual then anything else. Maybe he has homosexual or even bisexual tendencies and is holding out for the right guy. I know very little of the character and could honestly care less.

Making fun of the evidence. Unless he admits that, who are you to judge that? Not every guy on here is an animal that settles for the first girl that opens their legs.

I "kind of" regretted the first time having sex too. Only because I realized all the opportunities I thrown away with some real hotties years prior to this event. Quit using one persons experience (Maxtro) as a confirmation bias and then extrapolating to every last person in here. Even in his case which isn't very unusual at all (it's called being a guy) he can still get out there and make the best out of himself. I'm certain that he knows this himself.

But he has not and has allot of threads chronicalling his failures. The only way he can get sex is to go on an adult sex site and hopefully find a woman with a voyeristic boyfriend or use a prostitute. Normal women have rejected him over and over no matter what he did. Losing his virginity only showed him he has to lower himself in order to have a chance to have sex again and only knows the pain of what he is missing.

Again, you are rejecting both Alex DeLarge and Maxtro. Again, you just can't win. At least I presented case examples that undermine your points. Where are your case examples that someone losing their virginity helped improve their lives and they were able to have a steady supply of sex afterwards wtihout lowering themselves? Ha!

Are you sure that a woman is depressed over the fact that she's a virgin or simply because she just couldn't get a guy in the first place? There actually is a DIFFERENCE you know?

I'm finished arguing. I am talking from personal experience of women I've encountered. Again, maybe one person. But, one person is enough for me to establish the case that if one person is out there like that, there are other people.

Since you keep crying down on ancedontal evidence where I provide one person's name and either call them "gay", or that I simply can not use that example, then you have your own beliefs and refuse to take any evidence. This discussion is over.

 

[C-quenced]

I think you are the one smoking a crack pipe if you do not think a virgin birth is a miracle that specifically has to be noted to emphasise the fact that no man had sex with Mary before Jesus was born. You don't think a "virgin birth" is a miracle to a point that the virginity of the mother would have to be at least mentioned?

I do not care about any pagan-catholic idolatrious religion that diefies Mary and affixes the name "virgin". No where in the Bible is Mary referred to as "the virgin Mary". This is purely a Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox creation credited to Constantine himself so if you insist on using this then you have no point.

Why are you making wild, out of place, crazy assumptions? You took a simple EXAMPLE and blew it way out of proportion by making it into a pointless theological debate. I may not have intended to give the best EXAMPLE, however IN NO WAY does it mean that minute theological technicalities do anything to negate the point being made earlier. Fact of the matter is the term "virginity" is an effeminate concept which men have absolutely no business applying to themselves. My stance still holds.

What is the point of arguing with you? You know nothing about history. Probably a Roman Catholic yourself.

Quite intriguing that you know enough about my historical knowledge and religious background to make such baseless assumptions You dumb prick.

Making fun of the evidence. Unless he admits that, who are you to judge that? Not every guy on here is an animal that settles for the first girl that opens their legs.

Other then some fictional homosexual character straight out of a movie or a novel you provided 0 evidence.

I'm finished arguing. I am talking from personal experience of women I've encountered. Again, maybe one person. But, one person is enough for me to establish the case that if one person is out there like that, there are other people.

Confirmation bias. You still provided no evidence that a woman remaining a virgin at age 26 causes her to become depressed or causes her market value to drop. There is no logical basis to your arguments and this one proves itself to be no different.

Since you keep crying down on ancedontal evidence where I provide one person's name and either call them "gay", or that I simply can not use that example, then you have your own beliefs and refuse to take any evidence.

Scroll to "images" then swing by and tell me this isn't a flamboyant homosexual. You provided 0 evidence. Zilch. None. Besides anecdotal evidence is very unreliable.
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-....,cf.osb&fp=a4183349b9a276ea&biw=1708&bih=780

This discussion is over.

Quite possibly the smartest thing you've said lately.

 

[Alex DeLarge]

Just to set the record straight. If I was I would not have any issues with coming out of the closet. I've thought the "Maybe I'm gay and it's just psychologically suppressed" card before. But I'm totally not.

Truth is, for a lot of my life I've had VERY low self esteem and thought I was incredibly hideous (until I found this site).. Been through episodes of depression lasting years. I have never taken medication for this sort of thing because I choose not to. I'm feeling a lot better lately since I am now figuring out who I really am.

Just because I've been on the depressed side for a majority of my life doesn't mean I never learned social skills. I know how to talk to people, but my REAL problem has always been that I don't know how to LOVE people. I've had a lot of traumatic childhood experiences growing up in a divorced househould which both parents were alcoholics with my father constantly beating my mother and I and going in and out of jail. My mother would also work really late, so I wouldn't see her too often.

I was pretty much raised by the older kids in my neighborhood when I was 6-12 years old (cause I had no siblings) and never really had that whole nature v. nurture thing with my parents.

To a post directed at me before, yes I am looking for a quality girl to lose my V card to. But the vicious cycle that I am locked in is.. How can I give love if I really never knew love? A quality girl (IMO) is not going to fvck someone she can't feel love for.

I assure you guys, I am not a troll either. I don't get why people even waste their time being an internet troll in the first place. I am straight. I am a virgin. I play in a touring rock band. I know this sounds IMPOSSIBLE, but it's true.

EDIT : And my name comes from the novel/movie "A Clockwork Orange" not a gay porno ... Although, it would make a good name for a gay pornstar. :crackup:

EDIT 2 : The thought that I'm even being perceived as gay based on my virginity is a great example of the over-analyzation of this board and how answers to certain questions in the PUA community may be false. It's the same concept as believing your girl is "fvcking 5 other dudes" if she's not spending as much time with you. If you're girl doesn't act like a complete wh0re, then this probably isn't happening.

 

[corrector]

Why are you making wild, out of place, crazy assumptions? You took a simple EXAMPLE and blew it way out of proportion by making it into a pointless theological debate. I may not have intended to give the best EXAMPLE, however IN NO WAY does it mean that minute theological technicalities do anything to negate the point being made earlier. Fact of the matter is the term "virginity" is an effeminate concept which men have absolutely no business applying to themselves. My stance still holds.

It negates your arguement entirely because you provided no other examples to support your arguement other than that. Since I've just trashed it you don't have a leg to stand on. Also, American culture is considered to be decadent by other standards around the world so their values behind terms like "virginity" are meaningless. Your fixing that standard based on "Hollywood/MTV" values, not religious values of what effiminate means.

When you use a historical biblical example to raise an arguement to support a decadent MTV pop culture it is just retarded. So yeah, there is no historical/religious precedent on virginity being "effiminate".

Other then some fictional homosexual character straight out of a movie or a novel you provided 0 evidence.

Alex has just set the record straight. It shows that you are the one with the confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias. You still provided no evidence that a woman remaining a virgin at age 26 causes her to become depressed or causes her market value to drop. There is no logical basis to your arguments and this one proves itself to be no different.

Hey, I'm still waiting for your example of one person that losing their virginity with a girl turned them into a Don Juan or improved their lives. Pretty silent on that issue eh? For someone who makes light of all my evidence, it's surprizing you have not encountered one person to support your view.

 

[C-quenced]

It negates your arguement entirely because you provided no other examples to support your arguement other than that. Since I've just trashed it you don't have a leg to stand on. Also, American culture is considered to be decadent by other standards around the world so their values behind terms like "virginity" are meaningless. Your fixing that standard based on "Hollywood/MTV" values, not religious values of what effiminate means.

The only thing you've been able to prove so far is just how lacking you are in the critical thinking department. Honestly, in your desperate attempts to try and prove me wrong you just expose yourself as being a self-righteous retard with every one of your following posts. This is already to be expected.

Are you even aware of the fact that abstinence, celibacy or whatever you'd want to call it (once again referring to biblical sources) is NOT limited within the scope of virginal birth? I'm sure there are numerous verses you can find within religious scriptures regarding this matter. Here's one for example...

http://www.biblestudytools.com/1-corinthians/passage.aspx?q=1-corinthians+6:18-19

I get what you mean about the miracle of virgin birth and such but don't you think that Jesus, a religious figure who is clearly held in much higher regard then Mary (yes even to Catholics but you can go argue this point with the bible thumpers) should be made to epitomize the exclusively feminine construct known as "virginity"? Please bear in mind that the usage "virgin Mary" is legitimately used outside of Roman Catholicism as well. Even in Muslim and Christian sects it is liberally used.

Other then having baseless arguments to "thrash" a simple example with and behaving like a fish out of water you seem to express great sentiment at the topic at hand. I could honestly care less either way but whats the motivation? Is it religious?

When you use a historical biblical example to raise an arguement to support a decadent MTV pop culture it is just retarded. So yeah, there is no historical/religious precedent on virginity being "effiminate".

Psychological projection. Why don't you go read some of your posts prior to this one and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. There is no MTV pop culture that I am trying to support other then the one you conjured up in your mind. The term virginity IS originally without a doubt a feminine concept. The historical data is there if you choose to look for it. Even centuries later the dictionary definition (with the exception of one that falls prey to political connectedness) is still closer to it's original intended definition.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/virgin

Alex has just set the record straight. It shows that you are the one with the confirmation bias.

I had no idea there was a poster that goes under that name. I sincerely apologize to Alex as I do not want him to think I was directing attacks toward him but even he acknowledges that it can easily be taken out of context. You have a history of modelling reality through the media so this is where the confusion stems from. Nice try though jack@ss.

Hey, I'm still waiting for your example of one person that losing their virginity with a girl turned them into a Don Juan or improved their lives. Pretty silent on that issue eh? For someone who makes light of all my evidence, it's surprizing you have not encountered one person to support your view.

Yes I chose to remain silent on this because it is rather pointless to respond to. The world (even this forum itself) is saturated with men that don't subscribe to that "virginity" bull**** and also fit the examples you're looking for. However becoming a Don Juan is a matter of choice just like choosing to abstain for whatever reason is also a choice. Sex of course is undeniably the main motivator for pursuing such a lifestyle. In case you haven't noticed it yet having one woman in your arms makes it even easier to get another (social value and confidence) and so forth.

Your arguments are null. It's going to be amusing watching you try to "dance" through this after you've successfully lynched yourself.

 

[joverby]

Dude, you're thick skulled, man. Sure, maybe YOU think that virginity is effeminate. But guess what? The definitions are still the same for both words.

Virginity:
1.The state of never having had sexual intercourse: "he lost his virginity in college".

Saying you are celibate is different.

Celibate:
1.Abstaining from marriage and sexual relations, typically for religious reasons.

How you feel doesn't actually change the definition of words.

 

[corrector]

Are you even aware of the fact that abstinence, celibacy or whatever you'd want to call it (once again referring to biblical sources) is NOT limited within the scope of virginal birth? I'm sure there are numerous verses you can find within religious scriptures regarding this matter. Here's one for example...

Who said it was?

I get what you mean about the miracle of virgin birth and such but don't you think that Jesus, a religious figure who is clearly held in much higher regard then Mary (yes even to Catholics but you can go argue this point with the bible thumpers) should be made to epitomize the exclusively feminine construct known as "virginity"?
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Mary is the only example in the Bible you can find in the whole Bible? Try and find another example that is not tied to the virgin birth of Jesus. Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born, but not after. She was married to Joseph and she had two other sons, James and Jude who were the half-brothers of Jesus. Catholics will deny what the Bible obviously says in order to keep Mary to a goddess status within their faith.

Please bear in mind that the usage "virgin Mary" is legitimately used outside of Roman Catholicism as well. Even in Muslim and Christian sects it is liberally used.

Yeah, but Roman Catholicism is a dominant religion that has shaped the middle ages and allot of cultural concepts that come from that church doesn't make them necessarily true.

I doubt Muslims believe in a virgin birth -- and I care only what the Bible says, not what any church that has their own man-made traditions apart from the word of God may say.

Seeing that there is more than one woman mentioned in the Bible than Mary, it's interesting you can't find a single other woman to support your view that's not tied to a virgin birth miracle. There are plenty of women mentioned in the Bible, none of them had a title "virgin". Does that mean Mary was the only woman that was a virgin in the recorded history of the Bible before she had sex with her husband? Do you see how absurd your arguement is?

There is no historical or religious definition that you can find that shows that virginity and chastity are mutually exclusive concepts and that virginity is necessarily effiminate.

 

[corrector]

Other then having baseless arguments to "thrash" a simple example with and behaving like a fish out of water you seem to express great sentiment at the topic at hand. I could honestly care less either way but whats the motivation? Is it religious?

The motivation is your ignorance of calling everyone who is a virgin gay. You have insulted Alex DeLarge and other people on here by saying people who are a virgin are gay and then using religion and the Bible to try and back that up.

I had no idea there was a poster that goes under that name. I sincerely apologize to Alex as I do not want him to think I was directing attacks toward him but even he acknowledges that it can easily be taken out of context. You have a history of modelling reality through the media so this is where the confusion stems from. Nice try though jack@ss.

Here is an example of that. You are just ignorant. Nobody has to lose their virginity to prove they like women and are not gay or effiminate.

You seemed to have strong views before. I doubt your apology to Alex DeLarge is sincere unless you drop those views and actually learn something.

 

[C-quenced]

Who said it was?

Mary is the only example in the Bible you can find in the whole Bible? Try and find another example that is not tied to the virgin birth of Jesus. Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born, but not after. She was married to Joseph and she had two other sons, James and Jude who were the half-brothers of Jesus. Catholics will deny what the Bible obviously says in order to keep Mary to a goddess status within their faith.



Yeah, but Roman Catholicism is a dominant religion that has shaped the middle ages and allot of cultural concepts that come from that church doesn't make them necessarily true.

I doubt Muslims believe in a virgin birth -- and I care only what the Bible says, not what any church that has their own man-made traditions apart from the word of God may say.

Seeing that there is more than one woman mentioned in the Bible than Mary, it's interesting you can't find a single other woman to support your view that's not tied to a virgin birth miracle. There are plenty of women mentioned in the Bible, none of them had a title "virgin". Does that mean Mary was the only woman that was a virgin in the recorded history of the Bible before she had sex with her husband? Do you see how absurd your arguement is?

:yawn: Dude this is seriously getting old.

There is no historical or religious definition that you can find that shows that virginity and chastity are mutually exclusive concepts and that virginity is necessarily effiminate.

Virginity was initially intended to refer to an "untouched" women (there is historical evidence to back this up) and it needs to remain that way. There's no reason for men to adopt this label even if they never had sex before in their lives. This is the issue I'm arguing against. NOT the decision to remain abstinent.

 

[corrector]

:yawn: Dude this is seriously getting old.

Let's look at your record. You bash Alex DeLarge for being gay, then you apologize for him when he stands up to your ignorance. You mock any evidence that I do bring that is ancedontal, and you bring nothing yourself. Now, this is your reply.

Virginity was initially intended to refer to an "untouched" women (there is historical evidence to back this up) and it needs to remain that way. There's no reason for men to adopt this label even if they never had sex before in their lives. This is the issue I'm arguing against. NOT the decision to remain abstinent.

I really do not care, as anyone else on here, what you are arguing about. You are just thick skulled. Nobody on here takes you seriously. Best go to the mirror and talk to yourself since that is what you've just been doing here. :kick:

 

[JonJaper]

I know some people might not appreciate what I'm going to say, but around a couple of weeks ago, I went to Amsterdam and lost my virginity to hookers (read my thread which was posted here a few days ago if you want more detail on the experience: http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=188395 ).

Reducing sex to a business transaction without emotional BS, game-playing etc plus f*cking super-hot women really helped me put things into perspective.

You're unlikely to be in a threesome with a HB9 and a HB10 girl (both of whom are in their mid-20s and good at sex), where you can f*ck them without an emotional component. Unless you get hookers LOL.

All in all, I'm glad I did it and if you have the right attitude, you should go for it too!

And if you do, make sure it's in a country like the Netherlands where hookers are legal, professional, regulated, clean and frequently checked for STDs.

Got depression? F*ck hookers.

Stuck in a rut in school/college? F*ck hookers.

Workplace problems? F*ck hookers.

Family getting you down? F*ck hookers.

Crisis in the Middle East? F*ck hookers.

Poverty in Africa? F*ck hookers.

 

[perseverance]

I know some people might not appreciate what I'm going to say, but around a couple of weeks ago, I went to Amsterdam and lost my virginity to hookers (read my thread which was posted here a few days ago if you want more detail on the experience: http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=188395 ).

Reducing sex to a business transaction without emotional BS, game-playing etc plus f*cking super-hot women really helped me put things into perspective.

You're unlikely to be in a threesome with a HB9 and a HB10 girl (both of whom are in their mid-20s and good at sex), where you can f*ck them without an emotional component. Unless you get hookers LOL.

All in all, I'm glad I did it and if you have the right attitude, you should go for it too!

And if you do, make sure it's in a country like the Netherlands where hookers are legal, professional, regulated, clean and frequently checked for STDs.

Got depression? F*ck hookers.

Stuck in a rut in school/college? F*ck hookers.

Workplace problems? F*ck hookers.

Family getting you down? F*ck hookers.

Crisis in the Middle East? F*ck hookers.

Poverty in Africa? F*ck hookers.

I do hope this post was posted in a jocular way, I believe it was, because if if you are being serious than you should be banned from ever being giving advice again.

Sleeping with prostitutes had a positive impact on you, but I wonder how many men who have lost their V-plates have gone onto have relationships with women and felt a great sense of embarrassment and shame about that particular experience? I would hazard a guess that more men have regretted sleeping with prostitutes than have had no regrets.

Sleeping with prostitutes is a totally different ball game than actually sleeping with someone you've met in a club, a bar, or wherever. You'll discover that when you start getting with girls from clubs and bars etc (if you haven't already).

 

[rhcp83]

Sleeping with prostitutes is a totally different ball game than actually sleeping with someone you've met in a club, a bar, or wherever. You'll discover that when you start getting with girls from clubs and bars etc (if you haven't already).

I really don't see the difference other than that instead of wasting a lot of time at a noisy/annoying bar/club, you're paying to cut straight to the chase.

That's one mistake a lot of guys on this site make. Do you think that when you meet a girl at a bar/club and throw a few lines with her/get her a little tipsy and sleep with her, that you're some special guy to have done that or that she might not have diseases too? If a girl is putting out that quickly, the next week there's probably another guy, and the week after that, another guy and so on.

That's why I don't get the whole "game" obsession.

If all the guy's after is sex and he has the money to pay for it, cutting through the bs makes perfect sense.

In the end both guys did the woman, one just didn't go to a stupid place and take loads of rejections before getting a "yes" and then possibly last minute resistance etc. .

 

[JonJaper]

Sleeping with prostitutes had a positive impact on you, but I wonder how many men who have lost their V-plates have gone onto have relationships with women and felt a great sense of embarrassment and shame about that particular experience? I would hazard a guess that more men have regretted sleeping with prostitutes than have had no regrets.

The majority of men have regrets because society, the media, religion, women etc make them feel ashamed of what they did. These outside influences place some sort of mystical, magical importance on "the first time" which I feel is the biggest pile of BS. I am not bothered about the majority opinion. Just because the majority of people think something (or feel regret in this context), doesn't make it right.

That's why I don't have any shame in what I did and it makes no difference to me that it was my first time, or that I f*cked a girl yet have never been on a date or kissed a girl before.

But would I go around telling everyone about it? No, not because I feel ashamed, it's because the majority of people have been brainwashed by the media and so won't understand where I'm coming from. They will simply judge like morons without actually evaluating what I have said. People on this forum have been reasonable and understood my point of view though...I guess that's one of the many advantages of the internet anonymity and forums like these, where people think before judging. That's why I have no problem sharing my experience here.

It was semi-humorous but I do have a serious point.

This is relevant to the OP because like numerous virgins (including myself before my recent hooker experience in Amsterdam), the OP has a strong emotional attachment component as he's stated in the first post. This stemmed from intimacy issues and brainwashing about virginity by outside influences. I can't think of a better way to separate the raw animalistic side of sex from the unhealthy emotional attachment than to f*ck super hot hookers. You'll never look at an average girl in the same way again. It puts things into perspective, you truly realise sex/love isn't such a big deal.

Your eyes are open and you realise the lies that the media feeds you. It's like taking the red pill and waking up from the Matrix.

As a result, I have a much healthier outlook to girls...something which will no doubt have a positive impact on my future relationships/hookups.