"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Looks versus personality

blindnowisee

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I had a sweet date yesterday and wanted to hear your opinions on one of the brainfarts I was having this morning:

I've been spinning plates for the past 6 months now and enjoying every aspect of life however on my date yesterday with one of the new plates I found myself thinking:

- How do you find the balance between attractiveness and personality?

What I mean by this: Say you have 2 plates: a HB8 with a non-matching personality (i.e. she's a bit dumb, not really got any hobbies) and a HB7 with a great personality - as a sidenote.. I'm not big on ratings however I just want to make the point that if you put the two next to each other and ask a group of people to judge who is hotter.. the HB8 will just about come on top.

I think the post on "What do you want in a woman" that was on the board a while ago is related to this. My personal taste seems to lie with attractive women that have an interesting personality (e.g. have nice hobbies and are generally good people) instead of just banging hotties with mindnumbing personalities.

I've been known to be an unstructured thinker so apologies if this isn't very coherent but I would love to hear your views as to where the balance lies for you.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I get really bored with a dullard.

A bright stimulating woman is with a point when we're talking about 7 - 8.
You can't bring a dullard anywhere where you'd be known (depending on your social circles - might reflect poorly on you).

A smart plate brings certain complications to the table though. Mostly, she likely won't stay a plate very long or ... you'll also be a plate (there is only room for one calculator in a relationship ;)

If you are thinking maybe one day elevating the status of her from plate to fine china, then definitely the smart one (looks can be augmented with makeup, clothing and style), but a lack of grey matter is a lack of grey matter.

Short answer ... I vote smart 7.

SH
 

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Since they are both plates I would keep them both. Now if it was me looking for a serious girlfriend, I'd throw out both of them. Might as well go for it all.
 

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i became infatuated with a girl in the past that at first site rated her a 6, 7 at best. then once i started to get to know her and her personality, she became damn near a 10 in my eyes.

long story short, i banged her, turned afc level 9, perched her up on a 50 foot pedestal, she ljbf'd me, started dating another guy and is now engaged to be married to him. boo hoo. :D
 

Who Dares Win

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I believe personality can make the difference only in particular circumstances.

First of all there must be some look first,if she is not attractive no amount personality whill change it.

Second the closer two potential girls are in look the more personality can make the difference, a 6 is not gonna beat 9 even if her personality is great while a 7 can reach and beat a 8 easily.

So in your case OP, your hb 7 is the best bet for your general satisfaction and happyness.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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blindnowisee said:
I had a sweet date yesterday and wanted to hear your opinions on one of the brainfarts I was having this morning:

I've been spinning plates for the past 6 months now and enjoying every aspect of life however on my date yesterday with one of the new plates I found myself thinking:

- How do you find the balance between attractiveness and personality?

What I mean by this: Say you have 2 plates: a HB8 with a non-matching personality (i.e. she's a bit dumb, not really got any hobbies) and a HB7 with a great personality - as a sidenote.. I'm not big on ratings however I just want to make the point that if you put the two next to each other and ask a group of people to judge who is hotter.. the HB8 will just about come on top.

I think the post on "What do you want in a woman" that was on the board a while ago is related to this. My personal taste seems to lie with attractive women that have an interesting personality (e.g. have nice hobbies and are generally good people) instead of just banging hotties with mindnumbing personalities.

I've been known to be an unstructured thinker so apologies if this isn't very coherent but I would love to hear your views as to where the balance lies for you.
All men strive for the hottest woman they think they can land. Personality doesnt mean **** and any guy who says so is lying. I have never ever seen a guy dump a hot girl that makes him unhappy to land a slightly less attractive, smarter/nicer/more interesting girl. Sounds good in theory but that is not reality.
 

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Kimberlyeah, you SHOULD BE in the Age 13-17 segment of the forum.

The guy who said, there can only be one calculator in a relationship. Wrong! It's not calculation, it's compatibility, it's chemistry. And when you have that chemistry going between you, you don't need to game on for your life.

Regarding the looks vs. personality thing, it actually depends. And to be honest, it depends on you. Some guys are just dumb and egoistic maniacs. They want a trophy to show off to their friends. They will never be able to discuss geometry with their girlfriend.

Some guys just don't feel they deserve that HB9. So they will reject that girl even if she's good.

Some guys are just more emotional and they need someone to talk to, and not just have XXX at night. Like you!

So, better know your requirements and then take your pick! Remember, happiness is neither on looks or personality. Happiness is on you.
 

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If you're talking about getting a girlfriend, I would break personality down into this, moreso than intelligence: morality, compatability, and interest level.

In other words, she should share my moral values - she shouldn't be a slvt, she shouldn't believe cheating is okay.

She should be compatible in that we should be able to form a connection, and we should be able to get along well without a lot of drama. I don't place a high value on intelligence in a woman, personally. Although you might argue that she has to be smart to at least a certain level if we're going to form a connection. She certainly shouldn't be a dolt. But I don't need a mastermind scheming on how best to bring me down and rob me of half my possessions either.

And she must have high interest level. She has to think I'm the best thing since sliced bread, and that it's an honor to swallow my semen lol.

She really has to possess those three qualities in order to gain exclusivity, regardless of how attractive she is. So I guess in the OP's example, I'd take the 7 with personality.
 

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I often adjust their score depending on many factors.

Good in bed, tame, loving etc.

Personality and compatibility to me are the most important things.

It's very easy to change a few details about some girl physically.

I married a 9 in terms of looks but she was a total head focke!

From now on I look for 7's with great potential.
 

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(looks can be augmented with makeup, clothing and style), but a lack of grey matter is a lack of grey matter. - LOL

True, looks can be altered by other means. I mean I wouldn't go for a an HB3 with a bomb personality, but an HB7 is another story. Bottomline, ya can't fix stupid!
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Who Dares Win

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TheWolfMan said:
(looks can be augmented with makeup, clothing and style), but a lack of grey matter is a lack of grey matter. - LOL

True, looks can be altered by other means. I mean I wouldn't go for a an HB3 with a bomb personality, but an HB7 is another story. Bottomline, ya can't fix stupid!
Bvllsh1t, look is the state someone is right after the shower when we talk about long term relationships.

And when we talk about hooking up, a nice jacket wont make your arms stronger or he boobs bigger.

Make-up? oh come on ma, thats a scam its like saying that a heel hidden inside your shoes improves your look.
 

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Looks can be made. I tell my girls from the get go I like em in high heels. I tell them I like them to wear certain things or suggest they wear their hair in certain ways. I take a 7 with a nice personality and dress her up like an 8. I also get her to do nasty things I like in the bedroom and boom, you got an 8+

I dated a fine azz 9 last year and you know what? Mac makeup does wonders. She was a 7.5 every morning.
 

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Quick question: Why do you have to choose between them?

The whole Plate Theory is about spinning multiple plates simultaneously until they either fall, stop spinning on their own or you wish to stop spinning them.

Another quick question: how old are you?

Edit: Fuck! Limit hit.

My reply to your post below:

blindnowisee said:
Admittedly, this might be just me diverging from plate theory and moving to oneitis but truth be told.. I think one of the posters above was right though.. think I enjoy bonding as much as just having a bang every now and again.
It's okay if your ultimate goal is to enter a LTR. Ideally, she will want it more than you and you will enter it from a position of power through negotiations and setting proper boundaries.

But why worry about it now? Cross that bridge when you get to it. Make sure that the girl is not a Wrong Woman™, that she hasn't taken too many rides on the Cock Carousel, and that she passes the Boner Test with flying colors!
 
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blindnowisee

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I'm 26. First question is valid. Let me give you my reply: I've been spinning plates since the beginning of the year and enjoying every minute of it. Got a bunch of girls on speed-dial / drunk-dial / booty-call however you want to call it.. but seem to favor one girl above the others.

Admittedly, this might be just me diverging from plate theory and moving to oneitis but truth be told.. I think one of the posters above was right though.. think I enjoy bonding as much as just having a bang every now and again.
 

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first of all i wont bang a chick i'm not physically attracted to however this is the way i see it. some girls are fun to go out on the town with and some girls are just good for banging.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I'm with Howiestern on this one.

If you have to ask for advice on which one to prefer, that shows both of them lack something you're looking for. They obviously qualify for plate material, but not more than that.

As for my personal preference, personality trumps looks... but not by much at all, physical attraction is still vitally important.
 
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