Looks don't matter... yes they do! don't! do! DONT!! DO!!!

[Alphathree]

I'm tall and skinny. My body is at best a six, my face maybe a seven or eight.

Now I hear the women on this board ranting about how an attractive women will 'never' date an unattractive guy.

And I really don't want to let these women screw up the inner game of the other guys here who might believe this.

Look, women consider looks, women notice looks, whatever.

But not once in the history of my life has the way I looked stopped me from getting the woman I wanted.

The way you look might get more women approaching or noticing you. It might buy you some social status. It might give you more inner confidence.

Even if the women on this board rant about how your looks limit you, do NOT believe them simply because it's not true.

This is not to say that you shouldn't shower, work out, dress snazzily, stand tall, and cut your hair.

Watch David DeAngelo's ****y Comedy video and see the little four foot wheelchair dude who just SUCKS you into his reality.

I'm not trying to convince the women on the board because I've learned to respond to what women DO, not what they SAY. And the only thing women on a message board can do is SAY.

What women DO, HB8s and 9s, is respond to personality and presence... trust me... I know very few true things, but this is definitely one of them.

 

[Wyldfire]

The more attractive a person is, male and female alike...the easier they will have it in life. Not just in finding dates and mates...but in everything. That is a fact and no amount of denying it is going to change it.

With that being said...the REASON that men here need to stop lying to each other saying looks don't matter is because when that lie is passed on some guys won't make any kind of effort to spruce up their appearance as best they can. Don't set guys up to fail.

True...we all only have what God gave us...but there are ways to play up the good features and play down the not so good features. I won't lie to anyone. I may be blunt and even brutal at times...but I'm going to tell you the truth. However, as I'm being brutally honest about this issue...I will also offer tips and advice on how to make the most of what you have so that you can make things as easy for yourself as you possibly can.

Every woman has varied tastes on what they consider to be attractive. That means that if one woman doesn't like your look it doesn't mean the next one you meet won't.

The point of this debate is that men DO need to take the time to try to look their best and suggesting anything different is dishonest. This isn't about discouraging anyone from going after what they want. It's about equipping them with the proper tools, knowledge and resources to do the best they possibly can.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by Alphathree
I'm tall and skinny. My body is at best a six, my face maybe a seven or eight.

Now I hear the women on this board ranting about how an attractive women will 'never' date an unattractive guy.

And I really don't want to let these women screw up the inner game of the other guys here who might believe this.

Look, women consider looks, women notice looks, whatever.

But not once in the history of my life has the way I looked stopped me from getting the woman I wanted.

The way you look might get more women approaching or noticing you. It might buy you some social status. It might give you more inner confidence.

Even if the women on this board rant about how your looks limit you, do NOT believe them simply because it's not true.

This is not to say that you shouldn't shower, work out, dress snazzily, stand tall, and cut your hair.

Watch David DeAngelo's ****y Comedy video and see the little four foot wheelchair dude who just SUCKS you into his reality.

I'm not trying to convince the women on the board because I've learned to respond to what women DO, not what they SAY. And the only thing women on a message board can do is SAY.

What women DO, HB8s and 9s, is respond to personality and presence... trust me... I know very few true things, but this is definitely one of them.

can you make each word a paragraph next?

its gonna make it even easier to read.

 

[BackToTheMack]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
The more attractive a person is, male and female alike...the easier they will have it in life. Not just in finding dates and mates...but in everything. That is a fact and no amount of denying it is going to change it.

With that being said...the REASON that men here need to stop lying to each other saying looks don't matter is because when that lie is passed on some guys won't make any kind of effort to spruce up their appearance as best they can. Don't set guys up to fail.

True...we all only have what God gave us...but there are ways to play up the good features and play down the not so good features. I won't lie to anyone. I may be blunt and even brutal at times...but I'm going to tell you the truth. However, as I'm being brutally honest about this issue...I will also offer tips and advice on how to make the most of what you have so that you can make things as easy for yourself as you possibly can.

Every woman has varied tastes on what they consider to be attractive. That means that if one woman doesn't like your look it doesn't mean the next one you meet won't.

The point of this debate is that men DO need to take the time to try to look their best and suggesting anything different is dishonest. This isn't about discouraging anyone from going after what they want. It's about equipping them with the proper tools, knowledge and resources to do the best they possibly can.

Yeh work with what God gave you. You have to look the best you possibly can so:

-Hit the Gym get a nicer body.

-Ask the hairdresser what hairstyle they think will suit you best.

-Spend a little money when you buy cloths and buy something fashionable

-Brush your teeth, floss and use mouthwash.

-Use moisturizer on your skin

-Cut your nails and for Gods sake make sure the bottom of your nails is clean none likes to see that green/black colour there

-Trim nose hair, ear hair and wax that mono brow

-If glasses don’t suit you get contacts

-Grooming I can’t stress this enough be well groomed. This includes shaving and your hair.

-Shower at minimum once a day try to do twice. Also when you shower make sure you apply soap three times only once won’t get rid of odor.

So look the best you can and your game will improve drastically because you will be more confident and women will find you more attractive.

 

[KnightRyder]

Originally posted by Alphathree
I'm not trying to convince the women on the board because I've learned to respond to what women DO, not what they SAY.

there a saying that "actions speak louder than words".

The person who said it , must have been a DJ.

 

[BigFoot]

Alpha seems to be having a moment of
insight - but really, looks matter to women , there's no denying that, but your mood, attitude, self-confidence, etc. can affect how you look.

 

[Blackdragon5095]

Look. The only limit you have is the 1 you make. Many want to give up on women saying they are too confusing. I though this too but when I got better with women it wasn't the women is was me and what I was saying and doing. First apprance ( sorry I can't spell ) is VERY VERY IMPORTANT.

Example

I was watching elmidate and this 1 girl elimated some guy cause he had a PS2 and he said he didn't play it alot and she realized she made a mistake but it was too late now.

When you go on a blind date you should be ready for being succesful even on job interviews. If you come in a job interview looking like some bum on the street you won't be getting the job.

Art of war

sun tzu said that preparing for the battle is nesscary
not preparing for the battle is preparing for failure

Stop preparing for failure
and stop thinking I'm gonna fail

Map out a plan and be ready for anything.

In think and grow rich

your enemys are undoubt, undecions and fear itself.
stop thinking ( oh why would a women want me ? ) and think ( why should I want her ? is she a good women or some lieing little girl )

If you are gonna be in the game then learn the rules of the game or become a monk or w/e

When you apporach a women. Apporach her with confidnce saying ( no I'm not gonna play your games I'm not needy )

I learned something from this topic and I'm glad it's up.

 

[Alphathree]

Re: Re: Looks don't matter... yes they do! don't! do! DONT!! DO!!!

Originally posted by RaWBLooD
can you make each word a paragraph next?

its gonna make it even easier to read.

Hey man, some people complain about gigantic block paragraphs.

It looks like you complain when people break things up nicely for you.

I'm a newswriter. I hate long paragraphs. Apparently you love them. I'll be sure to make it more difficult for you in the future.

 

[Holland]

Looks don't matter. I'm pretty goodlooking (I entered a rating site to be sure) and it's not something that will get you a girl. It's just added value. It doesn't create attraction.

 

[frivolousz21]

she takes my MONEY when im in NEED...oh shes a trifeling one indeed.

shes a gold digger...that over time DIGGS On me!

 

[nishbuk]

Looks are simply only one of the ways that CAN create initial interest. There are OTHER ways as well that this can happen. A good-looking guy while creating initial interest, still has to MAKE THE SALE! If he cannot, he's no better of than the average looking guys that get nothing!

Now, the way an average guy creates initial interest is through presence, stature, and being very good at creating a "comfort level". If you don't have the looks, you simply use another method to create initial interest. (****y funny, confidence, MAVEC, kino, mirroring, etc.)

It doesn't matter how you create (or find) initial interest, once you have that, you still haven't got ****! You still have to do some work to creat GENUINE interest.

You have to use your personality, your presence, your confidence, and your actions to create genuine interest.

It's not that looks don't matter, it's that there are OTHER factors that guys can exude that can matter JUST AS MUCH.

Of all the factors that make a guy "Dateable", looks are just a piece of the puzzle. You present the total package, and if get the girl to focus on the part of the puzzle that doesn't concern your looks, your just as well off.

 

[joekerr31]

you guys keep saying looks when it sounds more like you are talking about hygeine.

women care about hygeine. So if your an average guy but your hair is tidy, teeth are clean, breath is fresh, shirt doesn't look like it was balled up on the floor for 2 weeks, etc..

but in terms of "looks" ie. symmetrical face, swimmer body, etc., i don't think they matter the most.

i mean, if looks really were what was most important then all these beautiful people dating other beautiful people would marry off right away and produce. they would use their status and access to better jobs etc. to dominate the world. but when you look around most people are average looking.

now there are basic physical match ups that are just obvious. its rare to find a tall woman with a short man.

but i've found that what most women seem to like the most is when you:
a) treat them like a person and take an interest in what they have to say (not just stare at their boobs)
b) have your own views on things and you stand your ground (ie. don't turn into a drooling idiot at the site of boobs).

add a sense of humor to that and you are cooking with fire.

mature women, ironically, are smarter than some of us guys and have realized that dating a few notches below what they could be dating (in the physical sense) gets them a better catch.

there will always be the super hot "almost" super model types who will hook up with the rich alpha male and keep this idea that looks are everything going, BUT, for your average joe and jane looks are a factor, but not the equation.

J

 

[joekerr31]

oh wanted to add one more thing.

its odd but ive found over the years a strange phenomena. ive dated super hot women who turned out to be *****es, and in the end they were no longer physically attractive in my mind. I mean, sure, their bodies were still smoking, but now that i knew what was underneath the moment you look in their eyes (which is one of the most beautiful parts of a woman) id see nothing but ugliness, which would far overshadow their body.

whereas ive dated "cute" women who turend otu to be great human beings, and as i got to know them more their body became sexier and sexier to me.

go figure.

oh, id also say this. no matter how hot a chic is, after you've banged her say 50 times, the allure and lust you initially felt for her disappears. she excites you no more than a "cute" girl would after you banged her 50 times.

J

 

[Wyldfire]

Once again....

Just as a normal man would not have any interest in climbing on top of a 300lb woman...a normal woman would not have any interest in gazing into the eyes of a man whose face she doesn't find attractive.

 

[illmatic20]

If your ugly then you should spare everyone your grief and kill yourself now.

Here how trade off works. The more good looking you are the less personality you have to have. The worse looking you are the more personality you must have. Simple as that.

 

[MetalFortress]

Originally posted by illmatic20
If your ugly then you should spare everyone your grief and kill yourself now.

Here how trade off works. The more good looking you are the less personality you have to have. The worse looking you are the more personality you must have. Simple as that.

1) You're dumb.

2) You're dumb.

 

[Sloopy]

Originally posted by illmatic20
If your ugly then you should spare everyone your grief and kill yourself now.

Here how trade off works. The more good looking you are the less personality you have to have. The worse looking you are the more personality you must have. Simple as that.

3) You're dumb

 

[Wyldfire]

Well, the first part of what he said was dumb...but the second half was true.

 

[Arioch]

Looks are another basic thing, but they aren't everything. If you're obese, or maybe just fat, or if you've got a face like a pizza, or chronic oder problems... fix that. Other than that, looks aren't that universal in terms of what women want from men. What's more important is how you hold yourself, how you behave, the level of confidence you project. I'm almost 6'6", and everyone says it's supposed to be a huge natural advantage, but I'm sure Napolean got more tail than I do, and he wasn't just short but also had a whithered hand.

 

[illmatic20]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Well, the first part of what he said was dumb...but the second half was true.

Thanks, I was being sarcastic about the first. Just tired of people whinning about there looks. Ether do something about it or move on.