Reality check people, as pathetic as it may seem, despite what “they” keep drilling into our heads, certain attributes attract certain people. On average men with less hair, are less attractive than men with a full head of hair. Shorter men are not up to par with taller men, women with larger breasts always get more attention then their A & B cup size competition. Obesity is not attractive nor is anorexia. Looks do matter, online, at speed dating events, at a club, on TV, on an interview……..the list goes on and on. The plastic surgery industry has surged in the last decade with no end in sight. Why, simple superficiality is a growing trend thanks to the media. Everywhere you look the media is critiquing our sense of style, looks, body mass, etc, virtually every minute of the every day. People who are good looking gravitate towards people who share similar attributes. Money is another factor, which can influence perceptions. Living the American dream and having the finer things does make for an easier life. Does it equate to happiness in the long-run, well the jury is still out on that one. I know it does bring short-term happiness, just check out VH1’s sweet sixteen parties, where the kids of millionaires get new cars and mega-parties with all the perks. There is a downside to having too much money though, with absolute power, it tends to corrupt absolutely. People who are ill prepared to handle that much fortune tend get a little out of hand (insert Hollywood Icon gone bad here). Having the ability to purchase the finer things and not worry about your finances gives you an edge that’s reality. What about personality, it really is the last resource available to average guys. When writing emails, personality rules, talking on the phone can acquire your desired result IF you have the right personality. Relationships that last, are based primarily on personality. An average guy can give the hot stud a run for his money if he has a cool personality. Not everyone is born with model looks; we all do not have 6-pack abs. Some of us are going bald, most of us will never be millionaires, we have to work with what we got, play out the hand in which we were dealt. Personality is something tangible that we can sculpt, cultivate, and shape and is the best secret weapon the average guy can master. Life is not fair, it’s true all men are created equal but where they end up is quite a different story. There are some amazing stories out there of people with major handi-caps (challenges) they have achieved incredible results. The odds were stacked against them from the beginning and yet they managed to prevail. These people share a common thought process. Where most say: I can’t, it’s too difficult, that’s impossible, I give up, they say: let me try, I bet I can, what about if I tried this, I will figure it out eventually. It’s that drive, the determination, perseverance that ultimately reaps success. They encounter fear, obstacles, rejections, and failures just like everyone else, but how they proceed (regardless of the odds) is the essential difference. Ever see the movie Rudy, Google William Hung, what about the guy who cut off his hand hanging from a mountain, the list goes on and on. Sure these might be extreme cases but the average guy can still achieve some level of success with the right attitude. Where you end up in life is totally up to you, getting there is a learning experience. Make a disadvantage into an advantage and you are on the right path. Remember attitude affects your altitude.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Looks Do Matter
- Thread starter COD
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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NO NO NO NO looks are for womennn stopp with this sh!
Neil Straus is the ugliest motherfukcer i've seen, i say this cause i scout models, and he was pullin ass like no other cause he had something that you obviously don't : GAME. Yes, he had GAME. Get that in your head he had GAME not LOOKS. He used his pimp had not his looks. PLenty of gl guys who are chubby chasers because they have no GAME. I had girls drooling over me in highschool but guess what i got no ass, why? Cause i had no GAME. Now that i have GAME girls come a dime a dozen.
Close this thread before it infects more afc minds.
Neil Straus is the ugliest motherfukcer i've seen, i say this cause i scout models, and he was pullin ass like no other cause he had something that you obviously don't : GAME. Yes, he had GAME. Get that in your head he had GAME not LOOKS. He used his pimp had not his looks. PLenty of gl guys who are chubby chasers because they have no GAME. I had girls drooling over me in highschool but guess what i got no ass, why? Cause i had no GAME. Now that i have GAME girls come a dime a dozen.
Close this thread before it infects more afc minds.
L777
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^^^ you actually read that? Christ, you deserve a medal!!
RE-READ THE ENTIRE THREAD.................looks matter.but its not evderything.
read the entire thread.........all the way to the end.
I NEVER SAID ITS ALL ABOUT LOOKS, OR LOOKS IS THE BIGGEST PART...................I said perception based upon first impressions do in fact matter.
IF U READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, I think I actually said PERSONALITY (GAME) is the best weapon for average guys.
heres a simple test for you to try----TAKE TWO GUYS BOTH HAVE GAME---BUT ONE IS A HOTTIE....which one will prevail.
IF an average guy has game and a hot guy has game.......you tell me who in the end will prevail. STRAUSS is a legend but I am sure some of his students OUT PERFORM HIM on a daily basis.
Looks are important........ONLINE LOOKS GET HER ATTENTION.......SPEED DATING EVENTS....U GOT 3 MINUTES.
YES LOOKS ARE NOT EVERYTHING........SHEESH.....but it gives you an edge.
YES LOOKS CAN HINDER YOU PERFORMANCE........thats where game comes in
YES INNER GAME WORKS WONDERS.......but its sped up/enhanced by looks
YES GAME IS GREAT....but speed seduction is enhanced by looks
YES NEIL IS GREAT---but he is not the best, I like to see his long term results
LOOK DO MATTER AND NOT JUST IN DATING
IF you are really a true duan Juan then you know its not just about picking up chics in the least amount of time. Its about enhancing your life IN EVERY ASPECT.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH 6 PAK ABS, A GOOD TAN, WHITE TEETH AND BEING HEALTHY.
I AM QUITE SURE THE WOMEN WILL BRAG ABOUT HOW CUTE YOU LOOK IN ADDITION TO YOUR GAME.
WOMEN ARE GETTING SMARTER AND THEY ARE BECOMING more like men and they too are seeking out hot men.
IF ANY OF YOU guys are reading this.........the ultimate level is becoming the guy who DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY MORE GAME to seduce women. Eventually you got to chose 1.
SO get some cool new clothes, put on some great shoes, splash on some cologne and spew your opening game routines. Look good----feel good----do good.....nuff said
read the entire thread.........all the way to the end.
I NEVER SAID ITS ALL ABOUT LOOKS, OR LOOKS IS THE BIGGEST PART...................I said perception based upon first impressions do in fact matter.
IF U READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, I think I actually said PERSONALITY (GAME) is the best weapon for average guys.
heres a simple test for you to try----TAKE TWO GUYS BOTH HAVE GAME---BUT ONE IS A HOTTIE....which one will prevail.
IF an average guy has game and a hot guy has game.......you tell me who in the end will prevail. STRAUSS is a legend but I am sure some of his students OUT PERFORM HIM on a daily basis.
Looks are important........ONLINE LOOKS GET HER ATTENTION.......SPEED DATING EVENTS....U GOT 3 MINUTES.
YES LOOKS ARE NOT EVERYTHING........SHEESH.....but it gives you an edge.
YES LOOKS CAN HINDER YOU PERFORMANCE........thats where game comes in
YES INNER GAME WORKS WONDERS.......but its sped up/enhanced by looks
YES GAME IS GREAT....but speed seduction is enhanced by looks
YES NEIL IS GREAT---but he is not the best, I like to see his long term results
LOOK DO MATTER AND NOT JUST IN DATING
IF you are really a true duan Juan then you know its not just about picking up chics in the least amount of time. Its about enhancing your life IN EVERY ASPECT.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH 6 PAK ABS, A GOOD TAN, WHITE TEETH AND BEING HEALTHY.
I AM QUITE SURE THE WOMEN WILL BRAG ABOUT HOW CUTE YOU LOOK IN ADDITION TO YOUR GAME.
WOMEN ARE GETTING SMARTER AND THEY ARE BECOMING more like men and they too are seeking out hot men.
IF ANY OF YOU guys are reading this.........the ultimate level is becoming the guy who DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY MORE GAME to seduce women. Eventually you got to chose 1.
SO get some cool new clothes, put on some great shoes, splash on some cologne and spew your opening game routines. Look good----feel good----do good.....nuff said
L777
Master Don Juan
Mate its not that I don't wanna read the post, but its just a Berlin Wall of text. Try condensing what you wanna say and also using.COD said:
Paragraphs.
PS: For the record, I agree with you, but posting a thread called, "looks do matter" is inflammatory and you KNOW it.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
You may have game, but you sure as hell have no writing skills.persiangino said:
What he meant was, yes looks matter, it's wrong to say that they don't matter at all, like a lot of the guys here. But, if you are butt ugly, you can still get girls. You just have to have a lot more game, and something to keep thing interested in you for the first few seconds, before you can game them. Good looking guys keep girls interested with their looks, a lot of PUAs use props and peacocking gear, a good opener, something to keep them interested before you go into sarge mode. It's just that if you are ugly, you may have a harder time getting positive attention, or, it may even work against you and you may get negative attention. If you are really fvcking ugly.
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Heyyy it's 4200 mayneee you can blame the good ol herb for my bad writing. Looks and a nice body can be natural peacocking but without game you get nowhere. And plus our looks are partially a product of your belief systems and what you think of yourselves. I've seen plenty of guys who had potential to be good looking guys but their lack of confidence and their presence made them UGLY. But it's true If you're good looking, confident, and have good inner and outer game then you'll be pulling girls left and right more so then an uglier dude with the latter qualities.
For the purposes of this site, looks DON'T matter.
Looks are EASY AS HELL to fix. You get a haircut, you put on some nice clothes (that fit), and you go to the gym.
Most people here need the OTHER stuff fixed, because looks or no looks, the attitudes that some people carry here will NEVER get them a woman. EVER.
Looks are EASY AS HELL to fix. You get a haircut, you put on some nice clothes (that fit), and you go to the gym.
Most people here need the OTHER stuff fixed, because looks or no looks, the attitudes that some people carry here will NEVER get them a woman. EVER.
persiangino said:
Of course even if you're a good looking guy you need game!!!!. If girls were drooling at you in HS you should have done something about it.Do you expect to just stand there and have them come to you? Then claim looks don't matter?
Even hot women need personality and the ability to flirt to have the numerous guys hanging around.
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Ex: There are a group of 3 women. Two are 7's ones is a 9. The 7's have great personalities and are flirty. You are getting good vibes they are interested.The 9 just stays there like a seaslug waiting for you to entertain her and go through hoops(the same way a good looking guy with no game comes off to a woman). You have no idea if she's into you because there are no hints.
Who will you ultimately find more attractive? Of course the women who give you feedback and make you feel good about yourself.The 7's will ultimately look way better. Does that mean looks don't matter to men? Some women can argue that point using that analogy too saying "look, the 9 girl had no game and that is what is needed to get hot guys. Not looks.
Their theory would be flawed . Because guy was probably initially much more attracted to the 9. It's the 9's lack of interest and personality which turned him off. But had that 9 had personality and showed him attention those 7's would be invisible. Men and women are not much different.
Now take the same group of women and give them all great personalities. The 9 will stand out as not only does she have a great personality, but her looks are amazing too. It's survival of the fittest.
A good looking guy with a great personality will attract way more potential partners than average or below average guy with great personality unless "average guy is loaded!!
A good looking girl with great personality will attract way more potential partners than average or below average girl with great personality unless "avearge" girl is easy.
If you scout models you know most of the good looking guys who have a good personality are usually not alone.Everyone here acts as though good-looking guys all have no personality and "average guys all have game. So life is equal.I wish it was that easy.
In the real world a lot of "average" guys with game have to compete with "good looking "guys with game all the time. Also, good-looking guys with personalities can be more themselves and still keep women. Neil Strauss teaches you how not to be yourself and how to play mind games. How long can anyone keep that up.
Answer, like someone above said.practice your game, go to the gym,get a nice haircut, wear clothes that compliment. that does amount to looks as doing all that will raise any guy from a 5 to a 7.
just like a girl who is a chubby 5 with no dates can loose weight,work out and get herself a slammin body, get a great hair color and cut,wear clothes that compliment, learn how to flirt and keep guys interested and all of the sudden she is a 7.5 with dates!!!
Those 2 sexes are doing the exact same thing to raise their status with the opposite sex. Because ultimately, looks matter to most people we are trying to attract.Otherwise,why bother with all of the above!
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Exactly, my inability to act upon their choosing signals was due to weak inner game. However, my proficient ability to keep consistent confident BL was what kept them interested throughout the whole year. If i had only been good looking with zero understanding of living consciously ( living in the zone) they would have lost interest at the very instant they sensed my simp beta vibes. In conclusion, the best thing a good looking guy can do is to improve their inner game.ricorico said:
And concerning your hypothetical situation i would not show any interest to the hotter girl to begin with and would divert my whole attention to the 7's. No interest from hot *****= you don't exist in my immediate reality next
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
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Who Cares?
selfmademob
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Lets see, when I left this forum in January, people flooded this board with "looks" threads. I come back and nothing has changed...
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Bravo!Obsidian said:
You need to think outside the box on this.
What makes a woman attractive is their good looks but what is good looks for a woman is not necessary good looks for a man.
'Good looks' in the sense of the phrase on a male will get you no where with women.
For a woman to have good skin it is attractive to a man. a man can have rough skin and be attractive to a woman, but not so much the other way round.
Curves on a woman is attractive but not on a man, same as a full head on a woman is important but a man can be going bald and still be just as 'good looking' attractive.
A man with good looks is not necessary an attractive man
but
A man with good genes and good or bad looks is an attractive man.
Take what COD said in his original message. - " On average men with less hair, are less attractive than men with a full head of hair. Shorter men are not up to par with taller men "
I agree with being taller is more attractive and that is because they have the appearance of good genes (height) but funnily enough a man with a full head of head doesn't always mean he will be more attractive (although he will usually be better looking) than the man with less hair because high testerone levels is a common factor in hair loss and guys with longer hair tend to be more feminine.
so good looks = good looking male genes
which include - height , broad shoulders , low bf 10 - 15% , strong body language, visable muscles defintions, strong jawline, a mature male skull (grown during puberty onwards) , big hands. etc
What makes a woman attractive is their good looks but what is good looks for a woman is not necessary good looks for a man.
'Good looks' in the sense of the phrase on a male will get you no where with women.
For a woman to have good skin it is attractive to a man. a man can have rough skin and be attractive to a woman, but not so much the other way round.
Curves on a woman is attractive but not on a man, same as a full head on a woman is important but a man can be going bald and still be just as 'good looking' attractive.
A man with good looks is not necessary an attractive man
but
A man with good genes and good or bad looks is an attractive man.
Take what COD said in his original message. - " On average men with less hair, are less attractive than men with a full head of hair. Shorter men are not up to par with taller men "
I agree with being taller is more attractive and that is because they have the appearance of good genes (height) but funnily enough a man with a full head of head doesn't always mean he will be more attractive (although he will usually be better looking) than the man with less hair because high testerone levels is a common factor in hair loss and guys with longer hair tend to be more feminine.
so good looks = good looking male genes
which include - height , broad shoulders , low bf 10 - 15% , strong body language, visable muscles defintions, strong jawline, a mature male skull (grown during puberty onwards) , big hands. etc
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Damn, you've been spreading this s'hit around for years, huh? Sad. AND you're a media ***** to boot? You're terrible, dude.COD said: