Looks do matter on men

[saturnalia]

Satrnalia-bot, everything you say fits within the various theories being discussed here. You're not making any unique points. The discussion has passed you by as people are debating a much larger point.

do you seriously want me to respond to your passive-aggressive-all-online-epiphany-still-no-sex attitude?

 

[saturnalia]

if you are trying harder and harder, yet it`s still not working, that means it`s time to stop and try something else

so for the sake of your mental sanity take a good look in the mirror

than tell me

http://s3.postimage.org/s027rtver/faces.jpg

are you like the guy on the left? or the right?

because the guy on the left has a face that signals high testosterone and virility, while the other on the right has traces of male estrogen which is not a good choice for a woman

there you go, here`s your red pill, it`s all science

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Guys...going back to the FIRST picture saturnalia posted.

Did you guys notice the CONTEMPT the girl had online for the average looking guy? This observation should be a wakeup call for some. Average looking girls see average looking guys as DIRT. They think they are better than them and deserve far more. They get OFFENDED if a guy within their own league hits on them.

That is disturbing.

 

[floydb25]

See... This is where you're wrong, and assuming things. I'm speaking from the perspective of a good looking guy (in women's eyes). Never had problems attracting women initially, or having them approach, but couldn't KEEP them interested. That's the whole point I'm making. Looks do matter, but you can't rely solely on them. It doesn't matter if you're "hot", or not. Other qualities are still required - IF you are to make it past the initial attraction / ONS zone. I never disputed that good looking guys can't get laid, don't have it easier, aren't approached or sought after, don't get away with more, aren't given multiple chances, or any of that.

As well, you don't have to be "hot" to land women. Nobody other than you is talking about ugly guys, and how game doesn't help them. No ****. Again, there are varying degrees of looks, everyone has different tastes and standards, and there are several steps you can take to present yourself in an appealing, socialable, attractive fashion. Wardrobe, hairstyle, build, hygeine, etc. And then things like confidence, assertiveness, social likeliness and ability, CONVERSATIONAL SKILLS, status, open sexuality, etc - these can all boost you up there.

Yes, they still have put more effort than the good looking guys, but that doesn't mean they can't land women. Nor does it mean that the good looking guys can KEEP a woman interested just by looking pretty. This is ESPECIALLY true of the "high class", hot girls - who have high standards beyond just looks. "Hot" guys are a dime-a-dozen to them... it's not impressive - only required.

In many instances, they'll choose a high status, confident, aggressive, strong, "attractive" guy over a hot, shy, insecure, sexually closed off momma's boy wussbag. Again, nobody is talking about ugly guys, here.

I'm just repeating everything I've already said to you, by the way.

As for what I'm doing: nothing in regards to looks (other than losing weight, again), because that was never the problem, and isn't the only thing you need to KEEP someone interested.

The only thing I'm "angry" about is you not being able to respond properly, and spamming the same **** over and over - when it has nothing to do with the direction of the conversation.

You're looking at everything from a very limited, one-sided, B&W lense. More than anything, you don't know what you're talking about beyond your narrow scope.

Good day. :kick:

 

[Virgil]

Even though you don't understand the concept of responding: nothing you say is new. This is all known, has been repeated several times, and is a large part of what this place is about - to decipher the truth from the BS; understanding words vs actions; reading between the lines; not believing anything they say, or taking it at face value. And then overcoming all that ****, seeing the reality as it actually is, improving yourself, and going with what works; not giving a **** about rejections or shallow women; recognizing and not tolerating BS; etc.

What women say is different than what they respond to; hoes will deny being hoes; everyone says what is most appropriate, least shallow, and socially acceptable. They all want a caring nice guy who loves them forever; they don't care about looks; and sex isn't that important. Of course they're lying, and will jump on the first bad / pretty boy **** in a heartbeat.

This is all basic ****. Everyone knows this. Stop talking. Or just keep spamming the same ****, like a dumbass. :moon:

I understand that it is hard to accept the truth, I mean it took damn Millenia for The VATICAN to accept that the earth wasn't flat and that a solarsystem with planets orbiting a star existed.

You may say that LOOKS MATTERING is common knowledge but it really isn't.

Many people(MEN) will deny that Looks Matter as a defence mechanism even when WOMEN TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE THAT LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING.

I agree with Saturnalia.

PUA as a concept can't work at all for most men who use it because its entire foundation is based on the statement "Looks Dont Matter", when in honesty a woman selects a mate primarily on what he looks like.

Its simple biology.

 

[floydb25]

I understand that it is hard to accept the truth, I mean it took damn Millenia for The VATICAN to accept that the earth wasn't flat and that a solarsystem with planets orbiting a star existed.

You may say that LOOKS MATTERING is common knowledge but it really isn't.

Many people(MEN) will deny that Looks Matter as a defence mechanism even when WOMEN TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE THAT LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING.

I agree with Saturnalia.

PUA as a concept can't work at all for most men who use it because its entire foundation is based on the statement "Looks Dont Matter", when in honesty a woman selects a mate primarily on what he looks like.

Its simple biology.

Word... I'm talking about the guys on here, though, and the direction the conversation was going - beyond the standard nonsense. As well as the varying degrees of looks.

Nobody is saying looks DON'T matter, or that PUA isn't BS. You just need MORE than just looks. Big difference. Looks are just the starting point, AND they can be improved in various ways, AND you don't have to be gorgeous to attract women. Of course a scronny, below average nerd has no chance with "hotties" - even with game. That's not to say it's not still important for those within reaching distance, or even on the same level - because it is.

But on PUA, and its BS: it's the same thing with women, and attracting men. They say the EXACT same thing that David D. & co. are saying. Literally word for word. "Looks aren't that important; there's other things you can do to attract men, even if you're not attractive". Even though the men are saying looks are more important for men, and not as important for women (as they're trying to appeal their products to men) - the women are saying looks aren't important for men (as they're trying to sell to women).

These are the women guru's out there; look it up. It's all the same. Even though they completely contradict each other.

Of course, they're all lying to make money, and sell products.

 

[floydb25]

Holy ****, son... I was just about to redirect you guys to puahate, since you match their delusion, simple-mindedness, and general stupidity towards this topic, but that's where you came from. Ha Ha Ha. No wonder. At least now I don't have to bother responding to you tools anymore. :cheer:

http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=57932

P.S. Please die... and get a clue.

 

[Virgil]

Word... I'm talking about the guys on here, though, and the direction the conversation was going - beyond the standard nonsense. As well as the varying degrees of looks.

Nobody is saying looks DON'T matter, or that PUA isn't BS. You just need MORE than just looks. Big difference. Looks are just the starting point, AND they can be improved in various ways, AND you don't have to be gorgeous to attract women. Of course a scronny, below average nerd has no chance with "hotties" - even with game. That's not to say it's not still important for those within reaching distance, or even on the same level - because it is.

Mate Looks are everything. There's nothing More or less to it. They are simply everything.

If a woman isn't "physically attracted" to you NOTHING you SAY will change her stance.

Hairstyles and Changes in ATTIRE are NOOOOOT what we are talking about when speaking of Looks.

We are talking about your face!!!

Tangible things that are BIOLOGICAL triggers of sexual dimorphism attractiveness and health to women.

Things like your Golden ratios, hypotrophied zygomaticus, Long mandible, Projected Chins, Compacted midfaces, Low set brows, deep set eyes, High set ears, defined Jaw lines, symmetry,

Positive Canthal Tilt of the eyes,

Perfect Hairline and many many other Features that CAN BE MEASURED!!! All men who are good Looking possess these and other traits and ALL men who are good looking do FAR BETTER with women than men who aren't. So these traits are clearly important and shouldn't be ignored.

Beauty can be measured believe that.


And if you don't have features that are deemed beautiful by women based on tangible measurable factors then YOU AREN'T GONNA DO WELL WITH WOMEN

 

[Mike32ct]

Guys...going back to the FIRST picture saturnalia posted.

Did you guys notice the CONTEMPT the girl had online for the average looking guy? This observation should be a wakeup call for some. Average looking girls see average looking guys as DIRT. They think they are better than them and deserve far more. They get OFFENDED if a guy within their own league hits on them.

That is disturbing.

I don't even have to read your posts anymore because I know I'll agree with you .

For most men, if a female isn't our type, it's NOT personal. I have no bad/negative feelings towards overweight women. They're just people. Not my type, but I have no issue with them personally.

But if a female isn't attracted to a guy (even an average or decent looking guy) she RESENTS him for it. It is very personal to her. I'm speaking from experience.

I know women I've done nothing to that all but hate me because I don't fit the particular looks profile they are into.

 

[floydb25]

I know what you're talking about, dumbass. But you don't seem to grasp common sense, or see things beyond your very limited view. Not to mention, I'm not really disagreeing with most of the points you make. You just keep spouting the same ****, and going off on the same (lack of) point you've been trying to make all along - like your illiterate boyfriend over there. Go have a circle jerk, and keep crying about how no women want you, and only date gorgeous guys. See if I care. I'm done with you.

 

[yougottaknow90]

I know what you're talking about, dumbass. But you don't seem to grasp common sense, or see things beyond your very limited view. Not to mention, I'm not really disagreeing with most of the points you make. You just keep spouting the same ****, and going off on the same (lack of) point you've been trying to make all along - like your illiterate boyfriend over there. Go have a circle jerk, and keep crying about how no women want you, and only date gorgeous guys. See if I care. I'm done with you.

He's f*cking with you, bro.

 

[Burroughs]

But if a female isn't attracted to a guy (even an average or decent looking guy) she RESENTS him for it. It is very personal to her. I'm speaking from experience.

One of the fundamental reasons the elite prefer women in charge of the social sphere....women have no trouble sanctioning genocide as long as its the 99% of men she views as unattractive...as long as the propaganda plays to a woman's emotions a woman has no trouble allowing millions of men to throw away their lives for her....wise men have known this for centuries..the cruelty of women for those they despise is truly boundless.

go ravens!

 

[Virgil]

I know what you're talking about, dumbass. But you don't seem to grasp common sense, or see things beyond your very limited view. Not to mention, I'm not really disagreeing with most of the points you make. You just keep spouting the same ****, and going off on the same (lack of) point you've been trying to make all along - like your illiterate boyfriend over there. Go have a circle jerk, and keep crying about how no women want you, and only date gorgeous guys. See if I care. I'm done with you.

You don't seem to be able to grasp simple biology. To think Clothing and Hairstyling can change genetics and influence natural Human behaviour.

And

YOU ARE DISAGREEING. I get you say Looks Matter.

However you go on to say that Looks are just an entry point. After I have clearly stated that Looks are everything.

YOU are disagreeing. I am saying that your points are bull**** full of intangibles like social skills and personality.

A girl rejects you if she's not physically attracted to you SIMPLE.

If you are an ******* she'll rationalise it and defend it because of "feelings for you" which are just Chemical reactions caused by natural arousal to your attractive facial features.

Whereas a man with no looks but assholish behaviour WILL BE HATED AND EXCLUDED from society, because there's Nothing backing up the ****ish behaviour.

He is simply an Ugly Guy acting like a ****.

Explain that. There's no circle jerk. You keep talking about ****ing Personality and I'm telling you the truth about Looks and its position in the dating game.

 

[Virgil]

He's f*cking with you, bro.

Both saturnalia and I are dead serious.

Everything I've written about the male face and what makes It attractive is what I believe and is backed bY hard science.

Google any male that women deem "attractive" male models, hollywood actors ,singers, rappers, presidents.

All of them share similiar Facial traits set in stone froM BIRTH, no amount of attire, jewellery, Cologne or Hair changes can make up for a lack of these features.

Brad Pitt( In his Prime), Tyson Beckford, Michael Fassbender, George Clooney, David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, Chris Hemsworth etc etc.

ALL OF THESE MEN SHARE SIMILIAR FACIAL ATTRIBUTES.

-Long Mandibles

-Defined/sharp Jaws

-Prognathic Chins

-Positive Canthal Tilt

-Low-set Brows

- deep set eyes

- excellent Hairlines/hair

-High cheekbones

- many other measurable features

-In terms of BODY, NONE are exceptionally ripped however they HAVE ATTRACTIVE BODY RATIOS.

Wide Traps and shoulders with narrow hips. Excellent ratios that are DIMORPHIC and attractive to women.

LOL @ Clothing, personality, Hairstyles, Shoes, cologne and Creatine

 

[Elephant]

Both saturnalia and I are dead serious.

Your both trolls too...

 

[rrrrr]

If it's all about looks, why are you even on this site? Why are you here?

Just for shiggles, I took that model's picture, made a plenty of fish account, and emailed a handful of women. I only saw one message "your an idiot. find something else to do with your life you loser." Then she blocked me and the message disappeared. About 8 women I emailed, that was the only response I got, I only see 4 women now, the rest blocked me.

I don't doubt for a second attractive men have an easier time getting laid. But I wouldn't say it's THAT easy.However: this guy does get a lot more "winks" or whatever you call them. 3 women contacted him in 10 minutes of signing up.

I also took one of my friends pictures who has a history of dating attractive women and sent out a bunch of emails. I didn't get any responses, other than fat women. I don't know if he's attractive or not.

 

[bish0p]

you can`t escape the range of your looks

all the money in the world won`t buy you the prettiest wife

if your face sucks, so does your wife`s looks

https://lh3.ggpht.com/-1_spgZZZFtU/.../Q7VjcLEMUq8/s1600/bill+gates+and+melinda.jpg

Yeah, David Spade says you're wrong

http://www.x17online.com/DSPADE043007_02.jpg

Marilyn Manson thinks you're on crack

http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/masnong_468x579.jpg

Jay Z says you're retarded.

http://blogs.bet.com/music/sound-off/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/082411-blogs-sound-off-jay-z-beyonce.jpg


Looks do matter, but there are always exceptions to the rules.

Just because you fail at life, you're trying to bring others down with you. Misery truly does love company.

 

[youngmack]

I think the OP meant in terms of attracting women. In that case ,Sorry to play devils advocate here but looks really are everything. Im not saying GOOD LOOKS are everything but you cant be below a girls minimum on a 1-10.

An example is a friend i have. Hes super popular and has a good ass personality,everyone wants to be around him. Hes a photographer and has Soo many connections, even with celebrities. He takes photos of them and gains access to their shows backstage. But guess what? Hes ugly.

You would think with his personality and value girls would want him. They dont. Instead they befriend him and use him for connections.

Now im not saying he wont ever get a girl. Since girls have different taste hes bound to find a girl who in her eyes believes he isnt below her minimum.

 

[rrrrr]

I think the OP meant in terms of attracting women. In that case ,Sorry to play devils advocate here but looks really are everything. Im not saying GOOD LOOKS are everything but you cant be below a girls minimum on a 1-10.

An example is a friend i have. Hes super popular and has a good ass personality,everyone wants to be around him. Hes a photographer and has Soo many connections, even with celebrities. He takes photos of them and gains access to their shows backstage. But guess what? Hes ugly.

You would think with his personality and value girls would want him. They dont. Instead they befriend him and use him for connections.

Now im not saying he wont ever get a girl. Since girls have different taste hes bound to find a girl who in her eyes believes he isnt below her minimum.

Is he overweight?

 

[zekko]

Just to throw my opinion in, I definitely think looks matter. But I disagree that looks are EVERYTHING.

Now some guys are so ugly that they probably have to settle for less. But most guys fall into the average looking range IMO.