"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Looks do matter on men

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My spreadsheet model shows that if you're a MB4, you're in the top 33.86% of male looks. If you're a MB5, you're in the top 24.68%. Your target group are HB3, who are in the top 28.39% of female looks. Female beauty is rarer than male beauty. IOW, women are uglier than men. Here's the chart in case you missed it in other threads.

DOWNWARD-CUMULATIVE SCALE

HB . . women . . men
9+ . . 0.88% . . 3.01%
8+ . . 2.21% . . 6.77%
7+ . . 4.19% . . 11.47%
6+ . . 7.17% . . 17.34%
5+ . . 11.64% . . 24.68%
4+ . . 18.34% . . 33.86%
3+ . . 28.39% . . 45.33%
2+ . . 43.46% . . 59.67%
1+ . . 66.08% . . 77.59%
any . . 100.00% . . 100.00%

(HB7+ means everything from 7.0 to 9.9. There are no perfect tens, but there are plenty of perfect 0.0s.)
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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TillTheEndOfTime said:
Every girl has their own taste in men and what they find physically attractive. What is hot to one girl might be relatively ugly to another girl. The point is what THAT GIRL finds physically attractive.

Not you.

Not her friends.

HER.

And women have the ability to be as damn picky as they want in society these days. They will always have a flock of men to choose from.
Explain Pamela Anderson. Christina Hendricks. Kid Rock is not handsome. And don't give me the excuse that Kid Rock has fame. So does Pamela and she could have gone out with any other rocker that was better looking.


I used to think like you until I've seen this enough. An 8 in me looks doesnt necessarily get an 8 at best in the opposite sex. If you come off as very assertive that takes you up a few notches
 

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Personality ?
Yeah, but this thread is about male looks and how it pertains to women.

Another thing I've noticed is that you don't see a lot of female celebrities with buff men.
 

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rrrrr said:
Explain Pamela Anderson. Christina Hendricks. Kid Rock is not handsome. And don't give me the excuse that Kid Rock has fame. So does Pamela and she could have gone out with any other rocker that was better looking.

I used to think like you until I've seen this enough. An 8 in me looks doesnt necessarily get an 8 at best in the opposite sex. If you come off as very assertive that takes you up a few notches
Hollywood is not a representation of the rest of society. You have to realize that what you see in 15 seconds on TV is not a representation of the celebrity's actual life out of the views of cameras. When you see Pamela Anderson on TV, she has about 17 lbs of makeup. She's not that attractive in person without makeup. You probably wouldn't look twice.

Have you seen female celebrities without makeup? You know Kim Kardashian? She's about a 5/6 without makeup. Look her up online. With makeup people think she is an 8.

Being assertive is better than being a pushover. All I'm saying is that it doesn't change your looks and that is the first item you will be judged based on.
 

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And you've just conceded that looks don't matter because they're radically subjective.
That's an erroneous inference. I am saying looks matter. I am just saying the type of look may vary a bit from woman to woman. That fact that you must fit HER type of look is what does not vary. EVER. AT ALL. You MUST fit her idea of attractive. All the game in the world won't matter if you don't fit the mold.

Not all physical traits are universally attractive or unattractive...EXCEPT ONE:

1) Symmetrical facial features - Regardless of ANYONE'S type, man or woman, symmetrical facial features signifies "good genes" and is an attractive trait. It is universal across all cultures. It is in our blood.

Here is what is NOT universal:

1) Build - some women like smaller men. Some like muscular men. Some like chubby/fat men.

2) Height - This one is controversial, however, not ALL women like tall men. MOST do, but not all. I have met girls who actually did not like taller men. All of my ex's bf's in the past were under 5'10.

3) Hair - some girls love a bald head. Some love a head full of hair. Not much to say here.

etc, etc, etc
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Yes looks matter to a woman, as well what others in her life think of you. Something to the tune of:

]-What her friends, besties, and bff's think: 60%

]-What her mother and other family members think: 30%

]-What she thinks personally: 10%


If all 3 connect, you just may have a chance.
 

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VladPatton said:
Yes looks matter to a woman, as well what others in her life think of you. Something to the tune of:

]-What her friends, besties, and bff's think: 60%

]-What her mother and other family members think: 30%

]-What she thinks personally: 10%


If all 3 connect, you just may have a chance.
Not that it's any business of other parties. Other people can be cruel, and I lose my sanity when they put you down etc.
That kind of peer pressure in dating hacks me off...girlfriends at the water cooler and all that.
A good-looking guy would only be a trophy to a woman.
 

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TillTheEndOfTime said:
"Cute" in general does NOT mean attractive. It is often female code for "not sexually attractive".
Are you serious? I used to have girls chase me in my teens and that was exactly what they called me. I was like a little Justine Bieber in my younger days. There is plenty of women who dig that, but it doesn't work for me as much now. Now it seems to be about the body mostly, that's why I started lifting. Now I am 225lbs at 6'5', still not hot. I still hear cute from time to time.
 

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PapiChulo said:
Are you serious? I used to have girls chase me in my teens and that was exactly what they called me. I was like a little Justine Bieber in my younger days. There is plenty of women who dig that, but it doesn't work for me as much now. Now it seems to be about the body mostly, that's why I started lifting. Now I am 225lbs at 6'5', still not hot. I still hear cute from time to time.
being called cute in your teens is code for hot! later in life, cute reverts to..cute, nice but bland.
 

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PapiChulo, be careful and don´t become too big... Too much muscle can be even worse than being skinny.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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TillTheEndOfTime said:
Yes in the 40+ year age bracket, looks matter more for women.
I've never banged any woman 40 or over, so I can't really comment on that.

But there is no way that looks can matter as much to women as they do to men. Does a man care what a woman does for a living? How much money she makes? How much social status she has? How dominant she is? How much power she has? These things matter to women, and can compensate for looks to some degree.

In contrast, all a man really cares about as far as attraction factors go is whether or not the woman is pretty. He may have individual preferences about personality, but so will women, and those vary from person to person.
 

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zekko said:
I've never banged any woman 40 or over, so I can't really comment on that.

But there is no way that looks can matter as much to women as they do to men. Does a man care what a woman does for a living? How much money she makes? How much social status she has? How dominant she is? How much power she has? These things matter to women, and can compensate for looks to some degree.

In contrast, all a man really cares about as far as attraction factors go is whether or not the woman is pretty. He may have individual preferences about personality, but so will women, and those vary from person to person.
thing is, I see a lot of divorcees around, they have the house, the guy has usually paid additional for kids as well, a lot of these women have jobs, basically, they have their 'own' sh1t now, what they look for is a good looking guy around 5 years younger than them, sure if some wealthy dude comes along who is older, maybe not so in shape, she will swing that way but they sem to be quite happy riding younger c0cks in the meantime
 

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Girls that were age appropriate for me seemed to delight in putting me down in their gangs, but that could be prevented, as they were infatuated with looks, drama and excitement, their closed-off world views and anything lacking in substance. At least when you are around elderly people or married couples there’s none of that pressure. Nothing can come of it but at least it doesn’t cause you to lose your sanity.
 

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VladPatton said:
Yes looks matter to a woman, as well what others in her life think of you. Something to the tune of:

]-What her friends, besties, and bff's think: 60%

]-What her mother and other family members think: 30%

]-What she thinks personally: 10%


If all 3 connect, you just may have a chance.
Very true. But I'd replace family with strangers. Women, IME, dont judge you by what THEY think, and therefore, don't give a **** about how nice or genuine you are, or whatever. If they like you a lot, but assume their friends won't (without any actual evidence) - they won't bring you around their friends, or want to be seen with you in public. This is why perception is so important, and you don't reveal weaknesses and failures, or come off as needy, desperate, weak, etc. They won't view you as vulnerable and "real", but rather, undesirable. And this is based largely on impression and intuition. Things like confidence around women, social ability, how others treat you based on status, if you're shy, gentle, afraid, etc.

They also ask EVERYBODY about their opinions towards you - to see how your status fares. Again, decency has nothing to do with it. Nobody cares how trustworthy, kind, etc you are. That's not why all this **** happens, and this is the wrong mindset to have. They only care about how "cool" you are, and if its deemed acceptable to be seen with you.

IME, women always had super high interest when I came off as a high status bad boy player who didn't give a **** - then lost interest once reality didn't match their perception (IE, they got to know me). This, despite claiming that all guys are jerks and players, and everyone is fake. Hmmmmm? (This is why you don't sympathize, believe, or assume ****; they're fake and shallow, all the same - and seek after these types for superficial reasons).

But this is mainly the fake, status-obsessed crowd. It's all I associated with, and thus, all I know. lol. :nono:
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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saturnalia said:
absolutely irrefutabile prof that it`s all about the looks when it comes to sex

fake profile of a male model used to ask random young women online directly to get together

click on zoom after it`s loaded

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg

this is sooo true
 

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saturnalia said:
absolutely irrefutabile prof that it`s all about the looks when it comes to sex

fake profile of a male model used to ask random young women online directly to get together

click on zoom after it`s loaded

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg

Notice, no "clever" or "witty" opener. Just pure raunchy sex talk. I bet you all the women responding to him also have stuff like this on their profile:

"DON'T MESSAGE ME IF YOU JUST WANT SEX! I'M NOT THAT KIND OF GIRL."

and

"SICK OF ALL THE CREEPS ON HERE"

etc, etc, etc. :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Remember guys, you're not a "creep" as long as you are good looking. :crackup:


Notice the comments like "if you weren't so hot I would ignore you".

Guys, online game is 99.9999% looks. Offline it is not as bad, but still greatly skewed towards looks.
 

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Notice, no "clever" or "witty" opener. Just pure raunchy sex talk. I bet you all the women responding to him also have stuff like this on their profile:

"DON'T MESSAGE ME IF YOU JUST WANT SEX! I'M NOT THAT KIND OF GIRL."

and

"SICK OF ALL THE CREEPS ON HERE"

etc, etc, etc. :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Remember guys, you're not a "creep" as long as you are good looking. :crackup:


Notice the comments like "if you weren't so hot I would ignore you".

Guys, online game is 99.9999% looks. Offline it is not as bad, but still greatly skewed towards looks.
women are full with sh*t

they are nothing but holes with tricks
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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