Long Distance Running 1 mile or more....

[wolf116]

No, it is counted as aerobic excercise, considering that it improves oxygen intake and trains the cardiovascular system. However, tempo running doesn't stretch the muscles. Running and sprinting actually shorten your muscles, so you have to stretch afterwards. Tempo is certainly not like HIIT, considering that the runs are made nowhere near at a maximum intensity.

So are squats considered aerobic? What about deadlifts? Because they sure as hell train oxygen intake and the cardiovascular system to the max. The article is referring to steady state cardio like jogging or stationary bikes. Sprinters never ever jog, and they hardly ever do those tempo runs for that matter. Majority of training is at full intensity on the 100m.

 

[mikeyb]

I used to win all the long distance events in high school and I represented my state at one point, yes it's hard work, but it just makes you look like cr@p and weakens you. I didn't like being weak.

Depends what you mean by cr@p. If all you do is steady-state, slow jogging, like the article says, then yeah, not only will you look like cr@p but you'll waste a lot of time as well. But most runners I know incorporate hill work and speedwork into their training which really trims down body fat and (provided there was some muscle mass already there) gives the runner a really cut look.

I am not a bodybuilder! I do powerlifting, strength training and olympic lifting.
I've also competed in armature boxing events and trained MMA for 2 years.

Fair enough, but you've got to admit that with all these "how do I gain weight" threads, one would assume most guys here lift weights mostly for aesthetics.

Running is being phased out in professional fighting athletes because they have found it to be counterproductive. You will be surprised at the amount of MMA fighters who never run. Once I quit low intensity aerobic work I was surprised to find an improvement I my endurance.

You're probably right. That's because of the specificity principle - if you train to run slowly for long distances, that's exactly what your body will become good at doing. For MMA fighters where explosive speed is more important, I'd say HIIT is a much better way to go. I train triathlon, so endurance is a must.

Man was desigined to walk while hunting, sprint after the animal to catch it with a spear, then cart it home on his back. There is no use for jogging, it is harsh on the joints.

What you say makes sense, but Kim Hill, an anthropologist studying the Ache hunter-gatherers (who lead lives similar to those of our stone age ancestors), says that any man in the tribe would run a recreational runner or even a local competitor into the ground over middle to long distances. Independently, biomechanics studies have concluded that for the human body it is more economical to run than to walk; this suggests that our current bodies must have evolved from ancestors who did a lot of running, not just sprinting here and there.

About being harsh on the joints, please refer to http://www.jaoa.org/cgi/content/full/106/6/342

This is a review on the literature/studies that attempt to link running to joint-related ailments, and the conclusion of the article is that moderate long-distance running (about 25mi/week) does NOT increase chances of osteoarthritis or any other joint ailments, and in fact may even have a protective effect against them.

 

[wolf116]

Take back the "deadlifting is bad for your back" comment and I'll take back the "jogging bad for the knees" comment and change it to jogging is bad for MY knees.

Nothing could be better for your back!

 

[mikeyb]

Nothing? Not even a Thai masseusse ?

I never said deadlifting was bad for your back. I said that deadlifting with a BENT back is but based on your replies I doubt that's you. So I edited out the wheelchair comment.

I'm done posting on this thread. As Flyer said, we got way off topic.

 

[Zairi]

So are squats considered aerobic? What about deadlifts? Because they sure as hell train oxygen intake and the cardiovascular system to the max. The article is referring to steady state cardio like jogging or stationary bikes. Sprinters never ever jog, and they hardly ever do those tempo runs for that matter. Majority of training is at full intensity on the 100m.

Please, stop talking about a subject which you are not familiar with. You obviously don't know anything about top sprinters', as in Asafa Powell, Maurice Greene, Carl Lewis, way of training. Sprinters never, ever jog? Actually, they do - at least during the warm up and warm down. Granted they don't do lots of jogging, but they still do jogging. Hardly ever do those tempo runs? You just exposed yourself here. Sprinters train six days a week. Out of those six days, they spend 3 on tempo. Plus, the majority of the training is not spent on the 100 m sprinting at full intensity. Don't believe me? Do some research on sprint periodization and "short to long" and "long to short" programs. I am sorry to say that you don't know much about sprint regimes.

 

[wolf116]

Please, stop talking about a subject which you are not familiar with. You obviously don't know anything about top sprinters', as in Asafa Powell, Maurice Greene, Carl Lewis, way of training. Sprinters never, ever jog? Actually, they do - at least during the warm up and warm down. Granted they don't do lots of jogging, but they still do jogging. Hardly ever do those tempo runs? You just exposed yourself here. Sprinters train six days a week. Out of those six days, they spend 3 on tempo. Plus, the majority of the training is not spent on the 100 m sprinting at full intensity. Don't believe me? Do some research on sprint periodization and "short to long" and "long to short" programs. I am sorry to say that you don't know much about sprint regimes.

Well that's not how they train were I come from.
And I have researched sprint training. Any running other then 100m at 100% will not help improve your times. I have also seen specific advice to never jog. Don't give me bullsh!t about their warmups, who gives a sh!t it's not training.

Who cares if some guys do other running, it is not what that article is talking about! All that you need to take home is, sprinters have lower bodyfat because they train majority at high intensity.

 

[bud_2005]

I used shrug off long-distance distance and never did it because I didn't think it was effectivec. But I'm considering it now because I read Will Smith ran 5 miles a day along with lifting to get hsi ripped body for " I am Legend"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTXGtSiI6dI&feature=related

 

[Bloke]

You're all fools.

The only 'real' sport that deserves respect is Curling.

 

[wolf116]

I used shrug off long-distance distance and never did it because I didn't think it was effectivec. But I'm considering it now because I read Will Smith ran 5 miles a day along with lifting to get hsi ripped body for " I am Legend"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTXGtSiI6dI&feature=related

Will Smith is black. He could get ripped masturbating.

I have a black friend who gets ripped from going out clubbing.

 

[danro]

I don't know about you guys, but being a runner myself, I've noticed that all of the marathoners and other long distance guys who are good tend to have six pack abs and toned lean muscles. That includes myslef .