"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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LMR and being aggressive/persistent in bed

ne0phyte

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hey DJs. trying to maximize my sexy-time here, so I've got a question.
I know that most girls will put up LMR because they don't want to be slutty, and that you have to make them want it more than you to get past that. "ie, oh you don't feel like it? that's fine, let's watch tv" At the same time, girls generally also like aggressive guys who lead, especially in bed. So my question is, how should you balance the two?

For instance, i've had experiences where its heavy making out, where i'm fondling and teasing her body with my fingers. I move my hand down to her crotch and she brings it back up. I continue making out, play with stroke my hand on other parts of her body and go back to the crotch. She brings my hand back up again and says "not tonight mister". i laugh and say something like, "no biggie, there's never a need to rush things". Things then naturally progress a few more dates down the road.

However, I'm curious to know if there's ways to push through that the same night. When girls say/do that, is that generally a "real" NO, or an invitation to try harder? Honestly, I enjoy being that aggressive guy in bed, but only after the first time. I'm always worried about getting into a potential "rape" situation so I've played it conservatively.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

.rattlebg

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my rule of thumb...

A verbal (and only verbal) 'nooo' is an invitation to try harder.

But any sign of physical resistance like pushing your hands away is an actual NO.

I also think that nothing should be verbalized, like saying "oh you dont feel like it?". Cuz think about it, theyre not so likely to give you permission verbally.
 
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