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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Living w/grandma: a game killer?

Infamous J

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Aight fellas here's my story. I'm 25 and am currently living with my grandma due to financial reasons. I got myself into this position initially when I was living on my own by getting a high paying job, then buying a motorcycle, a truck and a plasma screen.

I ended up losing my job, and a little while after that I had to have my appendix removed. Unfortunately for me I wasn't covered by insurance at the time of the surgery, so on top of the debt that I've incurred I also have thousands in medical bills to pay.

So I moved in with grandma and am living there rent free. I fix up things around the house and try to do projects for her here and there to offset her costs, but it still sucks as far as women are concerned. How in the HELL can you bring someone back to grandma's house? Answer: you can't.

I'm continuing to improve myself in other areas by working, staying fit and finishing my degree. There's a high paying career I'm working towards getting but until then I may have to continue to live with g ma.

So are my chances with women kaput? I try not to let it effect my game but it isn't easy. How would you handle a situation like this? Is it something you would tell women up front "My name is George. I'm unemployed and I live with my parents", or try to hide for as long as possible?

I'm open to suggestions.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I'm 25 also and up until recently I still lived with my Dad. What I would do is always tell the chick that I lived 30 or 45 minutes away so we should just go to her place since it's so much closer.
 

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Are you kidding me? This is the perfect opportunity to play on a woman's heart strings.

Reframe this so you are not a loser still living with grandma, you are actually taking care of her.

You can even be a little self-righteous about it and say how it makes you sad to see how many people throw out the elderly like last week's trash.

What can a girl really say to that?

9 times out of 10 it will be "Awwwwww, thats so sweet!"

Of course you should always try to go to the girls place first, but if that's not an option, then you shouldnt be bailing out of embarrassment.

PS - If it makes you feel any better, one of my friends is 27 and constantly bringing girls over. He basically trained his parents to not c0ckblock, lol!
 

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Dammit Fingz you beat me to it, I was gonna say that. LOL at your friend.

Infamous J it seems like your heading the right way in life. You just got unlucky there for awhile. It seems like its only teporary so don't worry about it. It's only a problem if you make it one!
 

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So are my chances with women kaput? I try not to let it effect my game but it isn't easy. How would you handle a situation like this? Is it something you would tell women up front "My name is George. I'm unemployed and I live with my parents", or try to hide for as long as possible?

No, your chances are not kaput. This temporary situation can actually HELP you filter out the shallow, bratty girls from the high quality girls you are looking for.

A girl worth the time and effort (good personality, grounded, positive attitude) will understand your situation and be sympathetic.

If she gives you attitude and throws her nose in the air, she isn't worth another second of your time.
 

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I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Wow I'm 26 and also living with my grandma due to financial reasons. I'm also going to college.

Is your grandma religious? Mine goes to church several times a week and has pictures of Jesus or scriptures in every room except mine.

As far as brining girls over it's basically impossible. My grandma is retired and is at home 90% of the time. She even told me that she will not allow me to bring a girl into my room...

How is living with her affect your self-confidence if there is any affect at all?

I really really want to move out but my seasonal job ended without me getting hired :( Now I need to get a new job while still going to Jr. College
 

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Maxtro,

I feel your pain. My folks were super religious and my Mom was always home. Fortunately, in Brooklyn you have the wonderful alternative of publicly accessible rooftops, so at least I had that. Still, I could not take the situation and moved out at 18.

In this case, you definitely need your own spot. Forget all about girls and concentrate on getting work. This is also a good time to make friends and see if anyone you know needs a roommate. (Just make sure these guys are cool and wont c0ckblock)

Having said that, I also worked my way through college and you barely have time to take eat or sleep, much less be a Casanova.
 

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SinJester said:
Infamous J it seems like your heading the right way in life. You just got unlucky there for awhile. It seems like its only temporary so don't worry about it. It's only a problem if you make it one!
:up:
 

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Señor Fingers,

My situation is a bit odd. If I do good this semester, which I plan on, I will be going to a 4-year university in August. So I basically am moving out and away to what ever school accepts me, most likely in southern California. I really don't want to risk screwing up this semester like I've screwed so many else up.

My past two semesters were really good and as long as I keep doing good my Mom has graciously offered to pay rent starting in August. So here I am now stuck in limbo for 8 months. I was really planning on moving out if my job became permanent and just barely making it until then.

Honestly I have it easy where I'm at now. No rent and I barely have to take care of myself. But I don't feel like I'm a man. And it really sucks not having any girls. I don't want to just waste the next 8 months of my life doing nothing and not getting anywhere. Right now I'm looking for another job and hoping to get out of here ASAP.
 

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Infamous J said:
Aight fellas here's my story. I'm 25 and am currently living with my grandma due to financial reasons. I got myself into this position initially when I was living on my own by getting a high paying job, then buying a motorcycle, a truck and a plasma screen.

I ended up losing my job, and a little while after that I had to have my appendix removed. Unfortunately for me I wasn't covered by insurance at the time of the surgery, so on top of the debt that I've incurred I also have thousands in medical bills to pay.

So I moved in with grandma and am living there rent free. I fix up things around the house and try to do projects for her here and there to offset her costs, but it still sucks as far as women are concerned. How in the HELL can you bring someone back to grandma's house? Answer: you can't.

I'm continuing to improve myself in other areas by working, staying fit and finishing my degree. There's a high paying career I'm working towards getting but until then I may have to continue to live with g ma.

So are my chances with women kaput? I try not to let it effect my game but it isn't easy. How would you handle a situation like this? Is it something you would tell women up front "My name is George. I'm unemployed and I live with my parents", or try to hide for as long as possible?

I'm open to suggestions.
when me and my x split..I moved in with grandma..she is 77 and needs my help a ton.

I will probably stay here for a while....I dont care what anyone thinks about it...this women has practically saved my life.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Two movies you need to check out, Grandma's boy and In the land of women.
 

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Thanks for the replies guys, you've made me feel a lot better about my situation. Fortunately I am learning from it and hopefully will come out better for it in the end. I've definitely developed a much greater appreciation for my family through it all.

Fingers--great stuff man. I couldn't help but cackle when I read the "taking care of her" and self righteous part.

royalty--good call, I never thought about using this as a filter of sorts, I'll definitely keep it in mind.

Maxtro--no my gma isn't really religious and fortunately for me she's really laid back about almost everything. As for my self confidence, to be honest it hasn't really affected it at all. I'm still very confident and continue to work towards my goals. It would be easy to look at the spot I'm in and get discouraged, but I just keep my head up and focus on the positive and where I'm going. I don't let the situation affect the day to day stuff or my place in the world. The chick situation has really been my biggest concern, but after reading this thread I may now be open to bringing them back to "my place" as a last resort hehe.
As for your situation, you may be living with gma but at least you're going to school and working towards something. I think it's one thing to be living with her and going no where, it's another thing to be motivated and working towards your goals. A girl can tell the difference between the two.

friv--I know what you mean about grandma being a lifesaver. I'd probably be in a gutter somewhere without mine.
 
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