"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
"lets just be friends" prob
- Thread starter yanman
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
yanman said:
There, thats your problem. Women smell that and bang, they send you SIGN THAT THEY ARE NOT INTO YOU.
She is not into you. She is not in love with you. You are freaking the lady out.
You had a chance to nail her because she wanted some action that night, but thats all she wanted.
She doesnt deserve you stressing about her, so quit it. What you should do is move on, talk to another girl that is drunk, take her to your place and bang her. After you done say good bye, and try not to talk to her for 3 days.
On the bright side, youve just come across a resource that will change your life. Im guessing you dont know anything about DJing nor PUA. Youre a freaking AFC. Heck, you couldnt even get it up when you got lucky and brought a woman home. Right? Stick to this stuff and dont quit, it will make you a better person.
downhill from there mate. Out of 10 women, 8 I would say want you to make a move in a situation like that. She went back to your place for god's sake! Unless she's really really drunk, she knows what she's doing.
Sending her flowers was nuts as well. The best advice would be to leave her alone for a while and look for other targets.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Kev07
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i don't knwo where to start, just read the don juan bible, it's at the bottom of the page.
emotional
Women are emotional. Men are strong, unless they are frustrated chumps who dont know what women are all about. Why are you emotional? She showed you affection when she flirted with you, she was not attracted to you, youre a stalking freak.
http://www.doubleyourdating.com/
That eBook will teach you how to act with women so that they are not just feel affection to you, but also are attracted to you. It wont teach you everything if you read it, it will give you direction and change your life for ever. This is the best way to spend your money.
Scenario:
YOU meet a girl. Everything goes well. After a day or two you contact her and she acts like shes busy, sick, anything. You get your little heart brocken and cry about her. Then you go into depression for 6 months.
Then you meet another girl. And same thing happens again, again, and again.
Maybe you end up with a girl that you marry. Who will easily manipulate you because she is educated and you are not.
The above example is YOU. Stop arguing or asking silly questions, buy the book in order to understand your current situation.
That girl? She might offer to be your friend. That is a friend that she can call once a month if she needs to move a couch, no sex. A friend means just that. She is not interested in you remantically, there is no BUTs, IFs, or MAYBEs..
If you leave her alone now and dont talk to her, MAYBE you could start over in a year. But only if you study the seduction science.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
when i hooked up wth i where in my comfort zone (behind the bar) where im the king and have confidence and than when we got to my place i wimp'd
i flincht suddenly al the confidence was gone.
i think im starting to "see the light"
Nah, you cant realize or learn any of this so quickly. You might get ideas, but they are not concrete. It takes time and some practise to understand things. I recommend you get Double your Dating. Its an awesome book.
Now, you are studying this so that you can pick and choose which woman you want, instead of leaving this to chances and feeling like sh1t every time. Dont be thinking about that girl, you have no chance with her. Just move on and get on with this study.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
The LJBF rejection also serves as an ego preservation for her in that having offered the false olive branch of 'friendship' to him in her rejection she also can sleep that night knowing that she (and any of her peers) wont think any less of herself. After all, she offered to be friends, right? She is absolved of any feelings of personal guilt or any responsibilities for his feelings if she still wants to remain amiable with him.
I think the default response should be to take a LJBF as a rejection (and her loss) ergo, you remove the reinforcer - attention. Up until the point you made an approach for her intimacy she was enjoying the benefit of your attentions. After a LJBF response her latent intent is to keep that reinforcer of attention. Do not reward her for this disingenuous response, she will only use it on you again or with another guy in a similar situation since it was reinforced the last time this circumstance was experienced. And should the next fellow reinforce it further she will internalize this as her standard response.
Obviously the best way to enact this is to use a takeaway and turn down her LJBF. An outright refusal of her pseudo-friendship offer would be ideal, but not always possible given social settings, however a takeaway is always warranted. Mmost women, whether serious or not in their LJBF rejection, will almost always follow up with some kind of communication when you do remove your previous attentions. This was a previous reinforcer to her and like most animals when faced with a behavioral extinction, she will attempt to re-establish that reward. This is why if you do end up cutting all contact with her she will have a tendency to pursue - and depending on the individual sometimes more actively pursue - your attention, even if she has no intent of becoming intimate with you. Women do this in an effort to maintain self-affirmation (i.e. she wants to verify everything is 'OK' between you and her in an email or IM) after a rejection.
yanman dont run away. Every guy in here been in your shoes.
Here is my response to lets just be friends:
HER: I think we should be just friends.
ME: No, thank you. I have lots of friends. See you later.
and walk away.... No talking to the girl from that point on.
Women always come back after you say that. This is true for LJBF situations and when there is an obvious attempt by you to approach one and she ignores you, and then you ignore her and dont stress about it.
I got one such chick living in my building trying to get my attention. Mmmmm.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Mind_Body_Soul
Senior Don Juan
banGbro said:Good post by Rollo
HER: I think we should be just friends.
ME: No, thank you. I have lots of friends. See you later.
and walk away.... No talking to the girl from that point on.
Same here. I've used this response and it works, quite well. And you leave feeling like you are in the power seat.In my case would be depending if the woman was previously intimate with me (e.g. I already had sex with her) or if she never had sex with me.
If I have an interest and we never had sex and she says: "We can just be friends".
My reply is always the same: "I don't want to be your friend." If she continues, then I simply stop 100% communication with her.
Now, if the woman was one that used to be intimate with me...and let's assume she wants to end sex and comes with the: "Let's just be friends."
My reply might be (assuming she didn't cheat): "Okay. We can be friends".
But I would simply stop communication and my attention will also go away.
Once again...those are the women doing the "LJBF" crap.