LETS "CSI" A PICKUP LINE-criteria for success

[COD]

1) OPENER-I just moved here, is there anything fun to do in this town ?

2) SITUATION-bar setting, 2-3 women sitting together at the bar.

3) TIME FACTOR-plenty of time to elaborate, not in a hurry. This may work against you, if they are time restricted or involved in a conversation with each other.

4) BODY LANGUAGE-direct approach, standing in front of them (facing them), no smile, proximity level is far.

5) TYPE OF QUESTION-slightly open ended, not specific, non-personal (opinion not required), not challenging or confrontational, no humor, dull, boring.

6) ENLICITS A RESPONSE-verbal answer may be monosyllable. Non-verbal response (shoulder shrug) answers question. No engagement means interest level is low. Try not to gauge her interest level, as this tends to kill any attraction.

7) INTEREST LEVEL-only if subjects make an inquiry (where you are from) then additional interaction may transpire. Control level shifts when initiating inquiries.

8) BANTER INVOLEMENT-no real banter required, predictable and obvious.

9) DEFENSE SHIELD-predictable lines, surroundings and execution of your approach triggered auto-defense mechanism.

10) PRIZABILITY-not applicable unless you are super hot, rich or famous. Your interest level lowered your social status.

11) EFFECTIVENESS-non verbal answer possibility, somewhat closed ended, not original, does not require engagement. Rapport not established with any individual. Attraction not triggered, the key would lie within counter-responses and if she is willing to engage.

12) CREATIVE-a line that DOES NOT sound like a rehearsed routine or as a prelude for a date. Active Dis-Interest & the time constraint method should work fine in this situation.

Now we can apply Mystery's M3 model to introduce stock gambits as I am sure most of you are aware the purpose to any pickup line is to get to the next level.

Theres some contraversy over using a cheesy pickup line, but its just an opener, ice breaker to get things rolling. You can say almost anything as attain success provided you congruent and know what to say after the opening statement. The oppsoite is also true......you can say a line and get rejected regardless of past success using that exact same line.

Now I am sure there are DJ's reading this RIGHT NOW advocating NOT to use a canned line and how its mechanical, non natural, blah blah, blah......to that I say it's a good start. A baby has to crawl before they walk and through out the years great pickup lines have initiated seduction success. Again its not what you say, but how you convey.:cheer:

So the next time you are preparing for speed seducing someone incorporate some of the above variables to see which lines worked for you.

Pickup lines work best after they are into you as a source of amusement.

 

[MikeYikes122]

I've been reading your posts and trying to figure out who or what you are. Also, why do you make thumbs-up's next to all your posts' subject lines?

The opener you've given is good in that it initiates a conversation and is low pressure. But you'd have a way higher success rate if you put some personality in it. IMO, with this opener, you've got about 15-20 seconds to charm these girls before they eject - and that's if you're a decent looking dude who has some social proof. You'll have to show some personality quickly or it will be game over.

It's just too bland. A better variation of this would be to approach and say something like "Do I look I don't belong here?" When they say no or whatever, you could get into how you're new in town and you always feel like people are staring at you. That would be much better conversation. You could charm much easier and get the girls laughing/build rapport. Once you've shown some personality, then you could talk about nightlife and things to do in town.

I'm just kind of curious. What's going to happen when these girls find out you're not really new in town and you're just lying to them. Eventually, that is going to come out, unless you're just looking for an ONS.

Also, how does this qualify as a canned line? I don't understand. It's not a good line, but it's not a canned line either. A canned line would be where you ask a lame opinion or something like that. Even then, that would be better than this. You also call this creative. How is it creative? My 15-year-old brother could come up with this.

I don't quite know what to make of you. Another self-appointed guru? Anyone have some insight?

 

[MikeYikes122]

And why do you say no smile during the approach? Your body language can be more powerful than your verbal language if you use it correctly. If I didn't smile when I approached, I can't imagine I'd have nearly as much success.

 

[COD]

DUDE the article was dissection of that specific pickup line.........IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM DO I CONDONE THIS........I observed a newbie at a bar and ANALYSED the whole approach and line.

self appointed.........WHO APPOINTS MYSTERY, STYLE, DAVID D, GUNWITCH...........opinions vary not every concept tactic, idea is going to work for everyone.

A pickup line must contain some essentials to work...........

DID U EVEN READ THE SECOND HALF OF THE POST........ALLOW ME TO RE-POST IT FOR YOU MASTER...........

Now we can apply Mystery's M3 model to introduce stock gambits as I am sure most of you are aware the purpose to any pickup line is to get to the next level.

Theres some contraversy over using a cheesy pickup line, but its just an opener, ice breaker to get things rolling. You can say almost anything as attain success provided you congruent and know what to say after the opening statement. The oppsoite is also true......you can say a line and get rejected regardless of past success using that exact same line.

Now I am sure there are DJ's reading this RIGHT NOW advocating NOT to use a canned line and how its mechanical, non natural, blah blah, blah......to that I say it's a good start. A baby has to crawl before they walk and through out the years great pickup lines have initiated seduction success. Again its not what you say, but how you convey.

So the next time you are preparing for speed seducing someone incorporate some of the above variables to see which lines worked for you.

Pickup lines work best after they are into you as a source of amusement.

 

[COD]

AND I READ SOME OF YOUR POSTS.........YOU DO NOTHING BUT CRITISIZE OTHER PEOPLES POSTS........dude your 24 in one of your post U actually use the words 'SORRY SONNY"

have you lived with a chic before........ever been married, ever bang 4 chics or more in one night, have you slept with over 200 women, ever dated all the differnt types of women.

Have you been to a speed dating event and got 100% (thats all the women) selecting you, have you received well over 1600 emails from women 90% of them with phone numbers, have u been to a club and not even 3 minutes found a chic and banged her in her car.......3 minutes dude.

I could go on but thats my self appointed success.......its not validation......just have made my share of mistakes and applied the TACTICS that have worked and reap success.

oh and TRUE MASTER STATUS COMES FROM TEACHING/SHARRING NEW POSTS, IDEAS, CONCEPTS WITH OTHERS..........not caping on people posts.

MY POSTS THE LITTLE NUMBER........ARE FROM ACTUAL ARTICLES WRITTEN.

AND I WROTE TWO BOOKS...........THAT ARE PUBLISHED.

AND theres more self appointed bagging stuff I extracted throughout my time on here..........

Wisdome SONNY, comes with age.......talk to me when your 35 and see if you view life diffently with some accomplishments under your belt...........other than capping on OTHER PEOPLES POSTS.

YA I KNOW...........YOUR 24 AND YOU GOT ALL THE ANSWERS, theres no one smarter than you, you da man........theres nothing left to learn.........WHY ARE YOU EVEN ON HER AGAIN?...........oh yeah to cap on others so you can reach MASTERS STATUS........PFFFT

 

[MikeYikes122]

Before I write a response, I'd just like to say that someone actually messaged me and asked me to take it easy on you. Not sure if I'm going to listen to them or not.

dude your 24 in one of your post U actually use the words 'SORRY SONNY"

Yeah, I did call her Sunny. Do you know why? Because that is her fvcking name you idiotic piece of sh!t. Go back and look a little closer. The poster making that thread was "SunnyD", and I was one of about 10 guys telling her she was a complete psycho.

Jesus titty-fvcking Christ. If you wanted to play that game where you go back in a poster's history to bust their balls about something, you could have found something way juicier than that to give me crap over. Try a little harder next time and maybe go back three-four years. I'm sure there's some worthless AFC crap still lingering in my thread history.

DUDE the article was dissection of that specific pickup line.........IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM DO I CONDONE THIS........I observed a newbie at a bar and ANALYSED the whole approach and line.

You don't condone it? Then why in God's name did you post it? If this was something you observed a newbie do at bar, didn't that warrant mentioning somewhere?

have you lived with a chic before........ever been married, ever bang 4 chics or more in one night, have you slept with over 200 women, ever dated all the differnt types of women.

Have you been to a speed dating event and got 100% (thats all the women) selecting you, have you received well over 1600 emails from women 90% of them with phone numbers, have u been to a club and not even 3 minutes found a chic and banged her in her car.......3 minutes dude.

I could go on but thats my self appointed success.......its not validation......just have made my share of mistakes and applied the TACTICS that have worked and reap success.

Even if I did believe a single word of all that, it still wouldn't make up for the fact that what you posted in this thread was completely newbie-ish and borderline idiotic. Walking up to a group of girls and asking "What is there to do for fun in this town?", is that how you fvck four chicks in one night or bang a low-quality club chick after only talking to her for three minutes? I'm sure you're fighting them off with a stick after you deliver that lethal opener. Not saying it is a particularly sh!tty line, but it is something ElStud would have posted in one of his "FRs". And you're on here trying to pass yourself off as some guru, who actually has the gull to post dating quizzes he has written up himself? Gimme a fvckin break.

Unlike you, I know how to go back through a poster's history. I've taken the liberty to do so with you, and I can't help but notice that (A) you sound like a robot, (B) you write on a fifth-grade level and (C) most of your advice is wanna-be PUA bullsh!t that rarely would ever work - or work well - in the field. Do you ever wonder why no one responds to your threads? It's because you seldom make points, bring up any new theory or deliver anything that even flirts with being helpful.

Most alarming out of all your threads was a little post entitled "How to Get you Ex back". Out of all the dumbass things you could write on SoSuave, that ranks pretty high up there. Even the most inexperienced guys will tell you chasing an ex-girlfriend is a bad idea because a guy who is doing that - or willing to do that - probably has Oneitis, an obsession with the "one", a need to validate his ego and an unwillingness to spin plates. All these qualities are usually shared by guys who are about as low on the AFC scale as they can possibly get. And you're on here, trying to give advice about how to win Exes back? Again, gimme a fvckin break.

My initial responses to this thread weren't even that harsh. I only criticized the line that you were doing a "CSI" on. I also questioned why it is that you said a guy shouldn't smile. You didn't even answer that, outside of providing some bunk cop-out that this particular opener wasn't being condoned by you, and that it was just something you saw at a bar.

self appointed.........WHO APPOINTS MYSTERY, STYLE, DAVID D, GUNWITCH...........opinions vary not every concept tactic, idea is going to work for everyone.

Fvck if I know. You're the one who comes on here and posts wanna-be PUA threads like you're delivering some huge nuggets of wisdom. Not to mention, you're into the Mystery Method and all those other nerdy teachings. If a guy is going to come on here and pass himself off as some guru who condones PUA methods, I'm going to bust his balls. Clearly, you can't handle that, as evidenced by the way you went all AFC on this thread after one guy questioned something you posted.

AND I WROTE TWO BOOKS...........THAT ARE PUBLISHED.

Two books? This is perhaps the most alarming thing I've ever seen you say on SoSuave. I feel bad for your copy editors and the few guys who read your books thinking they'd actually learn something.

Wisdome SONNY, comes with age.......talk to me when your 35 and see if you view life diffently with some accomplishments under your belt...........other than capping on OTHER PEOPLES POSTS.

YA I KNOW...........YOUR 24 AND YOU GOT ALL THE ANSWERS, theres no one smarter than you, you da man........theres nothing left to learn.........WHY ARE YOU EVEN ON HER AGAIN?...........oh yeah to cap on others so you can reach MASTERS STATUS........PFFFT

You're dang right I cap on other people's posts. Do you know why? Because this is a Web site guys who need help come to, and when someone is on here providing sh!tty information, I'm going to expose them as doing so. Say for example a guy comes on here looking to win his ex-girlfriend back. The worst thing he could possibly do is actually try to win her back, but you're ingenious thread - "How To Win Your Ex Back" - might give him reason to do so.

I'm going to expose charlatans and wanna-be gurus somewhat for my own amusement, but mostly to help the overall quality of this site and the guys who come to it looking for guidance.

And as for my own personal accomplishments. Listing them and trying to brag about them on the Internet is an indication of insecurity - something you've already shown. I'm not gonna sit here and get into some Internet pissing match with someone I've never met. I will, however, say that game recognizes game, and it's pretty easy for me to tell that you don't have any.