"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Lesson Learned, a first try

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TL;DR : Should have talked to the one girl that met up to my base standards. Lesson learned, don't pass up any opportunity.

I tip my hat to you good sirs and madam if you are reading this we are going out next Tuesday, be ready. May my company add and enrich to our shared experience. There is a kindred feeling here I have not felt in all my time online. A common thread binds us all here, at least for a time, until we grow past it. I tend to wax philosophical and I ask no one's pardon. I will instead ask only your tolerance and refining thoughts. With luck, there will be something worthwhile for people here and myself.

This initial post is about my recent attempt to expand myself by applying the initial pieces I understand of the DJ bible because I could not wait till I finished it to try some of it. Patience is a virtue but that set of documents screams to get the knowledge used even before finishing it. Knowing that being out there will teach faster and more in depth than the meaning between the lines of the bible can. Before I can speak about my first failures in my field report, I feel the need to explain my way of thought first.

Over the past few years I have worked to learn myself, piece by piece though normally by chance. Humor has taught me the most about myself. I believe comedy is a skilled art of treading boundaries. True hilarity comes from treading on or just behind the line of what people believe deep down. Not know, not understand, I said believe. I mean those silent, unsaid things learned or found that form the bedrock at the base of our logic, our philosophies, and our drives. I could say that I believe something, I could say I know what those beliefs are. That would be an utter lie. In learning myself the one thing that constantly hits hard is that if you can put your beliefs into words, it's not your belief. That is merely a philosophy. Granted, they probably circumscribe a few of the core beliefs that one has but I doubt all of them are encompassed. Comedy is one of the few ways I can find those unsaid thoughts which sit outside of the realm of language because it is the most benign way to evoke emotional response. Though others may not define it that way; I find that whatever I believe when touched causes an emotional feedback. The stronger the feeling, the closer it as hit to one of my beliefs. Comedy is a communal sharing of thoughts and shows that the presenter thinks the same as you. Especially jokes that work on the concept of reversals. The joke is built so that the situation is common experience and the result is obvious. When the opposite or odd happens as a conclusion it is seen as absurd based on how we view the world. It shows that even though we know on average things happen as we understand them the rarity or the possibility of the rare happening is there. It expands our world-view every time we realize the new possibilities and it changes our beliefs in small, subtle ways. Which leads me to my first point.

Emotions are a signal of what you believe. Emotions drive us, compel us to take action. In the presence of what most consider positive emotions, we continue to do our habits as is common day to day. Happiness teaches us to do something more often. Complacency shows that we can continue through a habit. Nostalgia classifies habits and information as old and outdated. So while those made sense and were beneficial then, they are no longer valid now.

Negative emotions elicit a conflict with how we view the world. It shows that we don't fully understand it and something in our world-view needs to change. Anger forces us to confront the problems directly trying to physically correct the world to fit us. Sadness and depression allow us to recognize that something treasured or thought to be needed has been lost driving us to re-acquire it. The list of emotions trail on, you can draw your own conclusions on what they push us to do. In the end, negative emotions force us to one of two things and without action they will persist. They leave us to either force the world to fit us or force us to change our beliefs to more accurately mimic the world.

Beliefs are hard to change. They should be. Randomly changing core-driven, personally accepted facts at the bottom of a person's thoughts would be detrimental and leads to completely non-functioning systems quickly and with bad results. Changes on that level must be thought out, considered, and then tested slowly and with trepidation. Changing beliefs hurt, require rethinking all subsequent habits, thoughts, and philosophies. It is extremely costly in all aspects of a person's life to make those changes. So when changing those core elements the benefits or the deficits must be large and compelling.

This is the one reason why I cannot ask someone to change their beliefs simply because I think my way is better. This is why stupidity has such stubborn persistence. This is why I love comedy.

I also think that is why both both genders love to laugh and especially why a woman looks for a man that can give her that comedy. They accept emotion, they let it flow through them. It's what comes with the female mindset. Comedy is the easiest way to change a person's world-view. If you are always making a person laugh, you are always showing them a new way to think of something. Possibly improving on them. It may not make them change their world-view but it will push the boundaries that they feel safe in. It also by extension makes them feel safe with you. You understand how they see the world and play with that very understanding. Making you part of the group. Showing that you are the same.

This fine line must be taken with care. When it is found it must be pushed. Harder, each day to expand the boundaries for each of us. Teaching all of us to be more tolerant, more patient. It must also be taken with the consequences in mind. Passing that line pushes beyond the comfort zone. That awkward or worst now un-funny subject makes the audience realize there is a subject they don't understand. Showing that although the speaker is comfortable with the subject and understands it enough to joke about it, the audience is not. It brings up emotions and reaction akin to calling a person stupid or showing that they are now below the speaker in world-view somehow. Attempts at comedy become a direct attack, leaving a distinct us v.s. them mindset. What once was a bonding experience becomes a distinct gap. With the realization that this person is different. As before, people don't like changing themselves on the whole, habit is king.

I doubt most people subscribe to this line of thought but I am unsure. I am also unsure if it is in some way detrimental to being more social, so I place my thoughts out there to learn and attempt to become better.

As a currently converting Nice Guy still studying the DJ bible, it has led me to feel reason to be confident and willing to join the social dance. With an optimism and a new vigor for life I thought, why not go out now? For I may proffer a thousand, thousand times but if fun is there before and after it, there is never a loss.

I have not on the action dated myself often, if any. I expect that a grand portion of you has been in a similar situation in the past. So it left me with some random guessing to try something outside my pattern. Being 30-45 minutes one way from anywhere with any businesses or people puts a damper on things. So I thought I'd start up at a mall within a moderate distance, thinking that would give me at least sheer numbers to work with. Also contributing to the results are my standards. Over the last decade they have steadily climbed and it leaves me to consider only 5's an up on my scale. I'm not sure if I have the same concept of the attractive number system so let's say low body fat percentage and a slimmer, feminine face. For this slice on the Virginia side an 1h20 minutes from the Tri-cities, that is apparently on the higher end of the spectrum. After arriving at the mall I found a small modicum of people I had the luck to find one girl in Spencers. She probably rated a 6 possibly the lower end of 7. Her demeanor did not broadcast promising thoughts, which I took as a negative sign but now realize she was probably somewhere in the immense desert of boredom. Upon seeing her and considering I thought, this is probably a good base line to work from and continued looking through the mall.

My mistake, the entirety of the mall was much like a post-apocalyptic wasteland in terms of the amount of people. The few girls that were there rated a 4 at best, the rest were a few small families, and one crass speaking group of guys. Their dialogue which could have either been described as aggressive or some odd manner of a playful in-joke of close friends did not inspire me to want to open up for friendship. In all I don't believe there were more than 30 people including the workers in that building.

I may not be looking through the right eyes on that first time around but it was fun regardless of any new company and the trip there and back did inspire many laughs. With a the lesson now etched on my mind, miss no opportunity because it may be the only one. I feel the journey was worth it.

In terms of learning to be openly social, I am unsure if I made any faux pas. I assume I could have spoken with the workers at the mall and enjoyed good discussions there or spoken with the few remaining girls giving the mall its paces. Though the latter seemed counter intuitive to my goals. I am still mostly an introvert so it will take time to learn the art of being ambiverted.

I look forward to comments if any, I hope I'm not re-treading too much by posting early.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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can you post a concise version of this?
 

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rhodiumcompiler said:
Negative emotions elicit a conflict with how we view the world. It shows that we don't fully understand it and something in our world-view needs to change. Anger forces us to confront the problems directly trying to physically correct the world to fit us. Sadness and depression allow us to recognize that something treasured or thought to be needed has been lost driving us to re-acquire it. The list of emotions trail on, you can draw your own conclusions on what they push us to do. In the end, negative emotions force us to one of two things and without action they will persist. They leave us to either force the world to fit us or force us to change our beliefs to more accurately mimic the world.
Anger can force you to change yourself, to rebuild yourself stronger, its a great driving force if you know how to channel it. Nothing like being pissed off to make you do the things that you need to do but otherwise wouldnt find the nerve or the fortitude to do it

Also there is a middle ground between forcing the world to fit us and changing our beliefs. It´s field testing and perfecting our beliefs, when one of your beliefs proves to be unsuitable to reality you need to take a look and see where the error is, hopefully you can find it and perfect your belief, keeping its essence (example: a genuine nice guy will turn into a man with self respect, gets lots of ***** but still keeps some moral standards and is not willing to walk over everyone in order to get *****). If you´re interested in this take a look into Karl Popper´s Falsifiability.

rhodiumcompiler said:
Beliefs are hard to change. They should be. Randomly changing core-driven, personally accepted facts at the bottom of a person's thoughts would be detrimental and leads to completely non-functioning systems quickly and with bad results. Changes on that level must be thought out, considered, and then tested slowly and with trepidation. Changing beliefs hurt, require rethinking all subsequent habits, thoughts, and philosophies. It is extremely costly in all aspects of a person's life to make those changes. So when changing those core elements the benefits or the deficits must be large and compelling.
Hmmm, like I said above, I have no problem changing my ways when confronted with my old ways failure. Finding this site, these beliefs, is a good example of it, when I first came here it was like everything I read was the opposite of what I´ve been told all my life, of what I believed to be the truth, but instead of feeling discomfortable I felt relieved, because I had found something that actually worked, made sense, was coherent with the real world.

I´m not really contesting you here, just some random thoughts that ocurred when reading your text.

And yes, comedy is a gift from the gods, puts everything in perspective, can bring emperors to the peasants level, is a great equalizer. Someone being able to laugh at himself is a tell tale sign of a greater intelligence and spirit.

Anyways, good luck with your journey and keep us posted.
 

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Myrrdin, Thank you. I will leave it at that.

PapiChulo, Hopefully what follows will be more concise.
Reduction:
I would like to say hello and am looking forward to being part of the community. I haven't finished the DJ bible, forgive my brash action to post before reflection on this wonderful resource. I had to try putting some of it into action before I had finished reading it.
I strive to learn who I am and what I am about. I use emotions as flags to find out what I believe because I think that emotions are triggered, at least in me, to cause action. Normally in some way to change myself for the better.
Comedy allows you to grow close and feel safe with others while growing together in the process. It is a powerful tool and it should be used wisely.
After reading the first portions of the DJ Bible I felt willing to try out some of the lessons and change my mindset. Misunderstanding the venue I was going to I found I had expected more people than there really were. I was unable to learn by the virtue of masses of people. I passed up the only girl I considered interesting enough to engage in conversation. Learning that I should take every opportunity.
I also ask for whether my thoughts on changing myself are detrimental in my mental shift to being a DJ. To avoid problems in the future or during my conversion.

I hope this helps.

Radharc,
I agree with your statements. I believe I over simplified my thoughts to fit it in to a somewhat readable length. I will look into reading your recommended book.
I am also glad to hear you are pliable and willing to change your mind on core subjects. Not all of us are on certain things as the local average around me suggests.
I will continue to express my attempts here. Thank you.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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