"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Leaving the friendzone... I need serious tips

Shivastorm_88

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Please no "drop that hoe she's not worth the effort" bull****, it's an experiment to me :cool:

Now first thing's first, a little background. In my close gang of friends, there is a girl that's about a HB7. She's a very good friend of mine, we are somewhat close, and I pretty much treat her like I'd treat any other guy friends (except don't talk about some stuff I'd talk with guys, obviously)

Needless to say, since we are close friends, I'm in her friendzone. We often hang out (not just the two of us) go for a coffee as a group, just chill, talk, go to the movies, the regular stuff a group of friends do. But me and her rarely hang out together just the two of us (obviously, I'm in the friend zone). Although Kino isn't a problem and she's very receptive to it and often engages it, but I think it's simply because she's at a level where she's so comfortable with me, like she sees me as a brother.

What I want to do is, simply as practice, try to work my way out of the friend zone (without ganji game obviously since she's close friend with my close friends). I already had a first step planned out. I always wanted to take Salsa lessons, and she's gonna take some with me and be my partner. Now my question is: How should I act around her, what type of activities should I try to do with her (just me and her) to slowly break down the barrier and get her to realize that I have a c0ck?

Any input would be appreciated, I'd love to try this experiment out :)

Cliffs
- close friend with an HB7
- She's in my gang of friends, sees me as a brother
- I kino with her and she's responsive and she kinos too, but probably because she sees me as a brother
- I'm gonna take salsa lessons with her
- I want to break the friend zone, how?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Everyone talks about how hard it is to get out of the friend zone. I know people who HAVE made it out,but to be honest, I think SHE was interested and just played the friends game until he came around.If she actually thinks just friends, it's tougher.

If you are really interested in dating, try. If you are really doing this as an experiment to see if you can catch a friend-play games play with emotions etc. Well, this lets me know I'm glad I'm not a friend of yours.
 

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I took the liberty of editing your post to what I consider the pertinent facts.

Shivastorm_88 said:
She's a very good friend of mine, we are somewhat close, and I pretty much treat her like I'd treat any other guy friends.

Needless to say, since we are close friends, We often hang out (not just the two of us) go for a coffee as a group, just chill, talk, go to the movies, the regular stuff a group of friends do.

She sees me as a brother.

I'd love to try this experiment out :)

- close friends
- She's in my gang of friends, sees me as a brother
- she sees me as a brother
I'd hate to be your friend. She is a very good friend of yours, and you considered her "one of the guys." She is friends with the rest of your friends, and together you are part of a group.

I'm not saying I have anything against hooking up with a female friend, but:

You are looking at this as an experiment. Theres nothing wrong with "experimentation", not in my book. But the idea of running an experiment on an unknowing friend has some serious moral deficits, if you get my drift.

Especially when you involve emotion. Women can get really pissed really easy.

Especially when you are friends with the same people. What if it turns sour?

Especially since it very well may turn sour considering you are performing an experiment on your friend.

In the end, it isn't wrong to experiment on women a little bit, and see what works. But what I'm asking you to do is consider if this "close friend" really means anything to you in the capacity of a friend, and understand that making a move like that may **** things up.

If you still want to bang her, do it.

If Ganji Games are more than you are willing to do, showing assertive disinterest is a better route anyway.

The idea is to convey the message that your bored with her, and are finding other, more interesting things to do. Back this up with body language, and just show disinterest in general. If she ever does flirty things with you, act happier and be more fun when she does. This "trains" her that flirting with you = Good times. While you shouldn't straight out ignore her otherwise, spend less time with her.

When she does see you, make your time gold.
 
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