Leave the manosphere

[Shift]

I have begun to realize that the more time I spend studying game, spending time on forums such as these, etc., the worse I actually get with women.

I've gradually been spending less and less time on here. You see, if you post here regularly, you're actually putting the pvssy on a pedestal because it is such a huge focus of your life. Becoming a forum regular caused me to overanalyze every single interaction I had with women. That doesn't help you at all.

This thread may get locked or I may get banned, but I urge you to stop spending so much time here.

Just relax and have fun and you'll do well. That's all you really need to know. Don't worry about things so much, because it only fvcks everything up.

Let life take its course and enjoy the ride.

Good day, DJs.

 

[Roober]

If you think this is all about getting pvssy, you are seriously misunderstanding the purpose of this place and the way of the DJ...

Getting pvssy is a byproduct, not a goal!

 

[Glassguy]

I couldnt disagree more OP.

I think this site is filled with very good advice on how to take control and not be dictated by a woman's emotions. We as men should be valued and respected and this site is filled with good advise and strategies on how to better yourself in order to achieve that.

 

[Shift]

This is an angry, cynical place, full of men trying to deny their insecurities.


Also, every thread looks at an interaction with women like a math equation. "Do x and y, and z will happen". That's no way to live.

 

[blind_one]

This is an angry, cynical place, full of men trying to deny their insecurities.

Implying that in current society every place is not exactly like that. Generalizing of course.

If you think this is all about getting pvssy, you are seriously misunderstanding the purpose of this place and the way of the DJ...

Getting pvssy is a byproduct, not a goal!

See ? He gets it.

Knowledge seeking is a thing of its own. Being good at something is an entirely different thing.
Knowledge helps though.

Just relax and have fun and you'll do well. That's all you really need to know. Don't worry about things so much, because it only fvcks everything up.

With this I wholeheartedly agree. There is no other way around it. Unless you are some PUA wannabe-tryhard well then more power to you ...

I am a semi-regular here because I have the opportunity to give back to the community. Not always in a trivial way.

Plus it is a nice place full of guys that are plugged out from the blue pill Disneyland matrix.

 

[Trainwreck]

I've been wanting to make the same topic, but never gathered the balls to do so. This site is indeed toxic I fully agree. This is supposed to be a male improvement site but it is the exact opposite due to the red pill/manosphere heirarchy on this site. At some point being cynical/negative af gave you a whole lot of credibility on this site and it's apparent af. If you follow a reactionary philosophy and tell other guys that every girl is a lying ***** then that means you are good with women. In addition, nobody questioned these guys. If they are so great with women, why are they constantly on this site making cynical posts and using chicken little tactics? I know they are bullshvting about the women they get, but nobody else called them out and put them in their place.

 

[Shift]

Most of you aren't going to agree. You've invested years of your life into posting on this website and it would bother you to stop.

I would be willing to bet that most of you challenging me have posted threads recently asking what number to plug into the formula so to speak to help you out with a certain girl you are obsessing over.

 

[Glassguy]

Most of you aren't going to agree. You've invested years of your life into posting on this website and it would bother you to stop.

I would be willing to bet that most of you challenging me have posted threads recently asking what number to plug into the formula so to speak to help you out with a certain girl you are obsessing over.

Bye Felicia.

 

[Atom Smasher]

It's interesting how different some of you guys' experience is from mine.

I came here about 9 years ago, utterly clueless about women. I was completely confused and naïve. This site has helped me to understand my value and to understand that value relative to women. The principles here have enabled me to become comfortable in my own skin in dealing with people (men and women alike), has helped me to completely eliminate approach anxiety, and has turned me into a man who is respected within my sphere of influence.

I saw this site as a tool, I learned how to use it, and customized it in order to be able to use it to my advantage. You guys, on the other hand, see the tool as dangerous, destructive and something that is "toxic".

In the hands of a craftsman, a power tool can create a great work of art. To the unskilled and afraid, it can chop his arms off.

You guys should probably re-evaluate your assessment of what goes on here, or get out of the workshop.

Of course there are some posturing jerks here, but so what? They are everywhere. It's matter of digging through the dirt and mining the gold that is embedded within.

As imperfect as this site may be, it has been the single most important influence for me, enabling me to turn from a confused coward with women to a man who is sought after and valued by them.

Success with this site, as with anything, is learning how to tune out the static, and how to leverage the rest to your advantage. If I was able to do it, anybody can. The principles taught here are training wheels to be used briefly for a time and then either eliminated or molded to fit our personality and style.

I honestly think you guys are simply focusing on the noise here and completely missing the gold that is ours for the taking.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I think it's less poisonous than other places. The Roosh Forum, now that's a poisonous place.

I would agree that some are latently insecure, though they have yet to develop the level of self appraisal to deal with it. Instead of continuous re-evaluationg, some will grow huge egos, and externalise their own failings, of which we all have many. Of course the insecurities come out in aggressive and negative comments, especially towards each other and women as a species. We all however remain somewhat insecure, whether we can or want to admit it or not.

For myself, I have recently transcended another level, I don't want to say above the manosphere, but possibly to a paradigm running alongside it. I realise that loving women, in fact learning to love everbody for who they are makes not only my life a better place to exist, but also my relationships more enjoyable, valid and durable.

Sure I'll continue to meet people who don't meet my personal standards. But I am able to exclude those people from my life swiftly and without hesitation. That goes for people posting sh!t on the internet as much as any one else.

I know many won't understand my point of view. But I don't expect them to.

I see my own outlook in a constant state of evolution. Others prefer to embrace the hard and fast 'rules' of the game. I have differing perspectives from the next man, but that doesn't necessarily infer that we don't respect each others point of view.

 

[JohnChops]

It's interesting how different some of you guys' experience is from mine.

I came here about 9 years ago, utterly clueless about women. I was completely confused and naïve. This site has helped me to understand my value and to understand that value relative to women. The principles here have enabled me to become comfortable in my own skin in dealing with people (men and women alike), has helped me to completely eliminate approach anxiety, and has turned me into a man who is respected within my sphere of influence.

I saw this site as a tool, I learned how to use it, and customized it in order to be able to use it to my advantage. You guys, on the other hand, see the tool as dangerous, destructive and something that is "toxic".

In the hands of a craftsman, a power tool can create a great work of art. To the unskilled and afraid, it can chop his arms off.

You guys should probably re-evaluate your assessment of what goes on here, or get out of the workshop.

Of course there are some posturing jerks here, but so what? They are everywhere. It's matter of digging through the dirt and mining the gold that is embedded within.

As imperfect as this site may be, it has been the single most important influence for me, enabling me to turn from a confused coward with women to a man who is sought after and valued by them.

Success with this site, as with anything, is learning how to tune out the static, and how to leverage the rest to your advantage. If I was able to do it, anybody can. The principles taught here are training wheels to be used briefly for a time and then either eliminated or molded to fit our personality and style.

I honestly think you guys are simply focusing on the noise here and completely missing the gold that is ours for the taking.

I like this. Take the good, ignore the naysayers and negative posters. A lot of people are quite positive here, and some are just negative posters, usually those are the ones that are constantly on here, instead of getting out and trying out what they learn. I think we need a new sub forum call " In the field" where people are encouraged to get out and try some different techniques and report back, instead of people making general "journal" threads here.

 

[Shift]

It's interesting how different some of you guys' experience is from mine.

I came here about 9 years ago, utterly clueless about women. I was completely confused and naïve. This site has helped me to understand my value and to understand that value relative to women. The principles here have enabled me to become comfortable in my own skin in dealing with people (men and women alike), has helped me to completely eliminate approach anxiety, and has turned me into a man who is respected within my sphere of influence.

I saw this site as a tool, I learned how to use it, and customized it in order to be able to use it to my advantage. You guys, on the other hand, see the tool as dangerous, destructive and something that is "toxic".

In the hands of a craftsman, a power tool can create a great work of art. To the unskilled and afraid, it can chop his arms off.

You guys should probably re-evaluate your assessment of what goes on here, or get out of the workshop.

Of course there are some posturing jerks here, but so what? They are everywhere. It's matter of digging through the dirt and mining the gold that is embedded within.

As imperfect as this site may be, it has been the single most important influence for me, enabling me to turn from a confused coward with women to a man who is sought after and valued by them.

Success with this site, as with anything, is learning how to tune out the static, and how to leverage the rest to your advantage. If I was able to do it, anybody can. The principles taught here are training wheels to be used briefly for a time and then either eliminated or molded to fit our personality and style.

I honestly think you guys are simply focusing on the noise here and completely missing the gold that is ours for the taking.

Sure, there is some good stuff here that I agree has helped me. Such as the works of Pook. (Pook's also not on here anymore, because he knows he doesn't need this place)

But most of it is in fact toxic. When most of the apple is rotten, you shouldn't eat it, just because it has a couple of good spots.

The only way you can really change your life is if you are self motivated to do so, and consulting the internet is a very poor crutch.

 

[sazc]

I dont want to get any pu$$y, I already have one. From what I have seen/read here, you are all correct. As a human being, everyone is going to get something different from this site. Know why? Because we were not all raised in the same family. We have different life experiences and different perspectives. It's fine to express your viewpoints but we should try and stay respectful. After all, you didnt walk a mile in 'his' (anyones) shoes, you really have no clue what he's been thru

 

[TheFixer14]

While I am still new here, this place is way better than RSD nation (don't become a PUA) and TRP. Particularly the TRP, I mentioned watching anime once and I had fake alpha males all over me.

I do agree that focusing on women too much is a very bad thing. A few weeks ago I was dating two different women. I realized how much time I was focusing on them what it was doing to me, and it made me upset. I'm here in this world to fulfill my purpose, not just to ****.

I think it's okay to come on here and talk about women. But in your down time as Pook said.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

Wow... Just wow. Of course there are douchebags on here. This is an anonymous internet site.
"it just preaches hate. " WTF... Feel free to go through my posts and find one that is anti-women or hateful in any way.

Of course there are going to be angry hurt men on here. Duh. It is a site for men to talk about women (and other things) or did you miss the sub forums on fitness and finance.

A lot of men feel like society has lied to them about manhood and are, in some cases, juatifiably angry. If you have gone through divorce proceedings you might understand.

IMVHO you are confusing cynicism for awareness.

I agree with you that if you are happy and confident you don't need this site. Go away then. It doesn't need your style of hostility either.

I like this site and I stay to help other people be happier NOT angrier, NOT nore cynical, NOT become women-haters.

The big question for the OP is where does he think men should go for support if not the manosphere, TRP, or here? Men's groups, ha! Tried that. If you really want to emasculate men that is the way to do it. Ask their wives, girlfriends and mothers, lol. They won"t give you good advice. Communication is important but not about some of this stuff. If you need to ask it is too late. Ask their male friends (who may be as uninformed as they are). Their pastor or rabbi? Come on. They are probably not an ideal source of information on modern dating.

BTW it seems a little unusual to complain about men talking about women on a dating site. It is like complaining that men are obsessed with cars because you are on a drag racing site. If men can't talk about women here then the feminists really have won.

I agree with you that there is a lot of cynicism on here. Have you thought about why that might be, apart from it is trendy.

Feel free to create the "just for happy men who love women and aren't cynical'' forum. You can call it 'SoSmug ' I would love to see what sort of discussions you would have on it and how it would help other men.

I also agree there needs to be less hate and men living their lives for themselves and not for women. i am pretty sure that is what this site, and the manosphere in general is trying to teach. YMMV.

 

[Shift]

To each their own. I wish you all the best. If you find this site to be helpful as a part of your daily life, then more power to you.

I'm off to find my own way. (Not in an MGTOW kind of way though)

 

[Infern0]

Overall it's good here, you can learn game and get good advice, great.

There are a couple of annoying posers on here though and it's somewhat startling to see how many people get taken in by them.

But being impressionable is a part of narcissism so it's not so surprising.

Point is you pick and choose the threads and the advice you listen to, and disregard the chest beating liars that float around.

I agree on OP that you can get by just great by learning game, running constant self improvement and just having fun. Some guys take it to extremes and hey maybe it works for them. Me personally, there's more to life than spinning plates.

 

[ubercat]

It's as toxic as a library. Choose what you read carefully because as you read you will think and as you think you will become. I would say that like a good library all the classics are here and Classics are classic for a reason

 

[wifehunter]

As someone who doesn't get any, I can confidently say I'm not here for the puzzy. I want to build a family of two, then the pagina can happen. This site keeps me entertained, and aprised. Also, the support from certain posters, is appreciated greatly.

It's about deprogramming, and becoming more awesome.

Go have fun!!!

 

[SmooveMooves]

Another 'I'm leaving...' thread.

Goodbye.

If you actually meant what you said all you had to do was log out of your account and delete the sosuave cookies. However, instead you elected to attention seek and announce how bad YOU think the site is and reply to everyone on said thread. We get it, you spend a lot of time online. You over analyzed. You've become cynical. That is not the case for everyone.

This is for anyone: If you feel like this site is 'terrible,' 'negative,' 'angry', 'cynical,' ---

A few clicks can solve that for you. There is no need for an announcement. You are right. I think a mod should ban you and close this thread. Since this place is so bad you shouldn't want to return but watch, you made this thread hours ago and you'll still end up replying.