"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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.... And I've had three expressions of interest from 'taken women seeking men' in less than 24hours (one's quite fit and sophisticated actually).

I digress. If ever the sweet innocent princess fairytale was over, it's now.

Time to play hard ball.

Any thoughts on knowingly f*cking another bloke's missus?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Thoughts like what, exactly? Ethics? Heh. If a woman wants to cheat, she will cheat whether it's with you or with someone else. May as well be with you. The only circumstances where I wouldn't sleep with a taken girl (who I'd sleep with otherwise) are, in decreasing order of importance, (1) the boyfriend is a friend of mine, (2) the boyfriend is likely to find out and hurt me or (3) the boyfriend is connected to my social circle and I'm likely to be caught and ostracised.
 

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4) You are far enough along in building your own life that you can find your own women, instead of needing to bottom feed.

He's right the wh**** will cheat. Doesn't mean you need to help.
 

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If she wants to cheat and starts trying to do so then she's already cheated, physically f*cking is only the formality. It's like murder and attempted murder. If anything, you're opening her husband's eyes. When the anger of another man f*cking your wife passes, you realise that even though he completed the cheating formality with her, he also helped you draw the veil away.
 

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most long term relation ship eventually involve infidelity thats just a sad reality of human nature... no way around it and men need too accept it and stop hinting that doing more for her will make her ignore her carnal urges to be mated wit by other men ...lol

some like to say only young girls do that ..wrong.. women of all ages cheat the older ones just tend to be more discreet cause ethyl have much more too lose she caught
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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in addition to being morally wrong however you slice it, it's also extremely dangerous on your part (if you guys get caught, is he gonna kill you? both of you? will she claim rape to get out of trouble?)

if you're ok with being a bad person and doing something dangerous for some ***** ***** then go for it.

keep in mind STDs, she's not exactly chaste and responsible

NOTE: most of that only applies if you knowingly go into this, if you liked the girl and got her AND THEN found out she was in a relationship, then it wouldn't be wrong but it'd still be dangerous.
 

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It happens. Play or be played.

devilkingx2 said:
... morally wrong ...
Your morals were fed to you by society and by your mother in particular. There are events from your very early childhood that you can't even remember that have given you your sense of morality. Go live in another country and you will see just how fluid morality really is. There are some cultures described by anthropologists in which the concept of cheating doesn't even exist.

Read Sex At Dawn (for how sexual morals are cultural, not inborn) and The Manipulated Man (for how women brainwash us from birth to fit into society's mold).
 

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That's terrible. Doesn't that make you guys never want to get married? Women are disgusting creatures 98% of the time
 

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So low quality men and low quality women sign up for cheating websites? Meh. *shrug*

Let em have each other. People like that will never be worth a damn in my book. (And yes, I think disloyal behavior automatically makes you a low quality dating prospect....male or female)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Turuwal said:
It happens. Play or be played.



Your morals were fed to you by society and by your mother in particular. There are events from your very early childhood that you can't even remember that have given you your sense of morality. Go live in another country and you will see just how fluid morality really is. There are some cultures described by anthropologists in which the concept of cheating doesn't even exist.

Read Sex At Dawn (for how sexual morals are cultural, not inborn) and The Manipulated Man (for how women brainwash us from birth to fit into society's mold).
I didn't mean "cheating is bad" I meant "I don't like it when other guys bang my girlfriend, so why would i do it to other guys who've done me no wrong?" is there no brotherhood among men?
 

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devilkingx2 said:
I didn't mean "cheating is bad" I meant "I don't like it when other guys bang my girlfriend, so why would i do it to other guys who've done me no wrong?" is there no brotherhood among men?
Shame on us for being golden-rule kinda guys (sarcasm). I dont do to people what I wouldnt want done to me. Plus betrayal and a lack of loyalty is bad. So therefore cheating is bad in my book.
 

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j.619 said:
That's terrible. Doesn't that make you guys never want to get married? Women are disgusting creatures 98% of the time
I don't want to get married because it is a corrupt institution that encourages failure. If I'm happy with a gal, I'll stay with her as long as we are happy together. Marriage just complicates things.

Regarding cheating, I don't involve myself with affairs with attached women for two reasons.

1) I wouldn't want it to happen to me. I believe in karma.

2) I hate drama. The amount of drama that can surface from attached women is endless, and not worth it. There's plenty of single women around.

Keep life simple, peaceful, and enjoyable. Only allow good quality single women into your life.
 

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devilkingx2 said:
I didn't mean "cheating is bad" I meant "I don't like it when other guys bang my girlfriend, so why would i do it to other guys who've done me no wrong?" is there no brotherhood among men?
See my thread here: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=213267

Pretty much everyone is an a$$hole. Even when I give them free access to the girls I am rolling with they act like morons and try to one-up me to make themselves look good. When I meet one of the extremely few guys who isn't an a$$hole, it is hilarious because we both keep trying to palm the girls onto each other. I pretty much trust no one anymore except for confirmed polyamorists.
 

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"For science" my a$$. Do what you want bro. H0es will h0e, if you want to have the ex-marine come hunt you down, good luck. Plenty of hot young singles that will put out just as fast.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Do whatever you want to do. I see nothing wrong with banging another man's girl. Just be prepared to deal with the potential consequences.
 

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It seriously was just for research, and largely to feedback here.

Most of the reasons for engaging and not engaging with these women mentioned I concur with, was just interested to get others' points of view. I might just see this one milf though; haven't seen the face, but the bod is just about 9, borderline 10 given slightly bigger chesticles.

That being said, the rates on this site are f*cking outrageous (£40/$67 to view or send 20 private messages). Think what some guys have said about low value desperados is just about spot on.
 

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Every "have an affair" site is littered with almost nothing but fake profiles. In fact, So is any sexual oriented site other than fetlife or craigslist (both of which are free). The thought that women are going to PAY to have sex/get attention is outlandish.... with a few exceptions (namely - she's obese, and will get way more value on a sex site then she will on a dating site since the competition from real women is so small).

I don't give a sh!t about the cheating issue. I've done things that would repulse the weakness coming from this thread. (note: ANY woman has potential to cheat; and that potential is increased subbstantially once she's emasculated a man and turned him dependant on her. The belief that "Any woman I ever choose to date would never __fill this in with ANYTHING___" is one of the worst frames a man can have.)

Just warning that the sites are mostly bogus.

Especially if you're talking about Ashley Madison (which has been accused of hiring people to pose as women to get men to spent obscene money to chat with.)
 
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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
Exactly right. Seriously the pandering to women by changing everything that makes you a unique individual just to "raise her IL" is pathetic. Its a fools errand anyway, like you said. Women LIKE variety, just like men. Hypergamy does not mean monogamy. Hypergamy means yet ANOTHER impulse women have to cheat, on top of pure carnal lust that they share with men.
and that is the reality of why marriage is also a very very bad idea for anyone still young enough to have sex...lol
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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