Ladder Theory is King

[Single_Sucks]

Whether or not a girl is attracted to you, I believe, can be totally defined by ladder theory. I really honestly think that women judge men in terms of physical attractiveness, just as we do them, that is certainly my findings in my country, England. Start by understanding that the ladder is relative, give yourself a '5' and map out the girls of your life around this. My findings, and maybe yours, are very congruent with this.

Ugly girls (0-4): Proactive in conversation, follow you around, proactive in physical escalation, easy, want to get into serious relationship, can be messed around multiple times, AFC-acting girls.

Medium girls (5): Sadly, but neccessarily, these are rare (call it fine-tuning). Typical girlfriend, secure enough for casual encounters, secure enough to leave your ass if you mess her about, has the power to make you wait until the 3rd date for sex, 'game', money and sense of humour can make a difference here.

Hot girls (6-10): Difficult to make conversation, makes no/little effort, unwelcoming, seems impossible, only dates hot guys, more interested in their girlfriends, dont text back, are always 'busy' when asked for a date. Can make you act like an AFC.

 

[bukowski_merit]

Difficult to make conversation

In your own head they are hard to make conversation with. Attractive girls know how to make conversation and often know how to flirt better than any of the others.

makes no/little effort

are you talking initally? once you get inside these girls heads - they put in just as much effort as the rest. In fact, if they're HSE (ego driven) - you can get even more into their head!

unwelcoming

this is often true... but wouldn't you be unwelcoming if you had 50 guys a day approaching you? this is a b!tch shield and can often be taken down in a few seconds...

only dates hot guys

only? note: most hot guys have EXTREME confidence... much more confidence than you try to fake! so they WILL generally have better success with women because of how they feel about themselves.... but uhmmm... i don't know how much you get out - but i see ugly guys with hot chicks all the time... in fact, i would consider myself "average" and i can be found with hot chicks on a regular bases...

more interested in their girlfriends

i'm all for bi-$exual women...

dont text back

nonsense

are always 'busy' when asked for a date

this has nothing to do with them. it has to do with your weak game.

Can make you act like an AFC.

Which is the problem... none of this other stuff matters - what matters is that you're acting like a weak game AFC and expecting results...

 

[6-heads lewis]

oh please go back to your fairytale. you really think 'game' and magic tricks count more than looks? which book are you selling?

 

[bukowski_merit]

oh please go back to your fairytale. you really think 'game' and magic tricks count more than looks? which book are you selling?

magic tricks? no... lines? no... becoming what some PUA tells you to become? no... none of those things are endorsed much anymore... and they only teach you how to "fake it"...

simple charisma, wit and confidence? yes... they count much more than looks (im not saying looks don't count - they just aren't the alpha and omega)... but there's no trick to having those things genuinely...

 

[Alle_Gory]

oh please go back to your fairytale. you really think 'game' and magic tricks count more than looks? which book are you selling?

Everything counts. All the time.

Money
Looks
Humor
Being sexually comfortable with yourself


etc.

I'm a good looking guy. I go to the gym regularly too. I don't get anything 'free'. It is easier once I pay up, and put in the effort.

 

[Single_Sucks]

i see ugly guys with hot chicks all the time...

The attractiveness of other men is a very difficult thing to judge. One must be able to do this impartially and unaffected by the biases we own. Many of us also do not understand which physical features women put real value on. Physcologically, it is natural to not want to admit a guy looks better than oneself. Alot of us guys tend to rate other men lower than they really are.

i would consider myself "average" and i can be found with hot chicks on a regular bases...

Good news, you're probably good looking, more so than you think. Being average is great, if that is true, because it is light years better than being 'Ugly' which many people are.

Yes, I believe to grasp ladder theory then the observer must be totally impartial. I agree with all the other points you make though.

 

[Single_Sucks]

oh please go back to your fairytale. you really think 'game' and magic tricks count more than looks? which book are you selling?

People believe what they want to, just one of the brains many defense mechanisms.

I count myself lucky in a way, I've always socialised with a lot of different women, year after year, they have always been comfortable enough to let me observe (or be part of) their mating schemes.

Now I'm not putting down the 'game', I think its very useful and I'd always say remember to:
Improve yourself
Don't act needy/AFC
Meet as many women as possible
Have good conversation skills

The 'game' is like the moon, you can use it to pull the tides in the right direction. The 'ladder' is like the sun, it dictates everything, theres no escaping its effect.

 

[Solomon]

Having the experince/Knowledge firsthand, or being out on the field>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any "theory"


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[Single_Sucks]

Having the experince/Knowledge firsthand, or being out on the field>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any "theory"

So so true. Although theories are hopefully constructed using good observations, and i'd like to say what ive written is based on total experience. Maybe I should have used the term 'Ladder Model'.

Gravity is a theory actually, yet it is undeniable and based on real observations (of a falling apple i believe). Yeah...there are good theories and there are bad theories. Occams razor is always good i think, the theories which seem to fit neatly into the common-sense view of the world, instead of making up some new reality of how things might be.

 

[Solomon]

So so true. Although theories are hopefully constructed using good observations, and i'd like to say what ive written is based on total experience. Maybe I should have used the term 'Ladder Model'.

Gravity is a theory actually, yet it is undeniable and based on real observations (of a falling apple i believe). So the term has some merit.

Your "model" is obsolete any of these can be overcome with great confidence and inner game, when you have that "deep" inner game, women can sense it, because of your aura/vibe. Imgaine an hb9 trying to shut me down but me not giving a f*ck because I'm so secure in myself that when I get shut down, I brush it off and just go about my way on the next approach smiling

 

[Single_Sucks]

Women are very good at sensing with their eyes.
There is a good argument that they can sense pheremones with their noses.

that "deep" inner game, women can sense it, because of your aura/vibe

I'm not sure which sensory organ is used for measuring 'aura'.

Having confidence, being sociable and meeting chicks is great, it creates opportunities, but your still playing the ladder.

 

[Solomon]

Women are very good at sensing with their eyes.
There is a good argument that they can sense pheremones with their noses.


I'm not sure which sensory organ is used for measuring 'aura'.

Having confidence, being sociable and meeting chicks is great, it creates opportunities, but your still playing the ladder.

You'd be surprised how much women pick up "sub-conciosuly" not just from your body language, Inner game is deeper then the concious hence lot of guys try to work on the outside when they should be focusing on the inside, this is basic psycology i wish I could deeper into it but I have to go......

but just know this, hb9's are just as insecure as any other girl, its just they hide it through their "bitcyness"

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[Single_Sucks]

It is nothing more than your weak mind creating self limiting beliefs

My theory implies a limit on what is possible. But then, it is not written to cheer people up. I have explored what is possible witha plethora of women, the construct I put before you is based on observation only.

If you had deep inner game, you will have your choice of women even if you are a deformed midget in a wheelchair.

lol, that comment seems less likely to be true than all of mine put together

Inner game is all that matters

I fully agree in that a healthy, confident mindset is key to living. But I think it is key for yourself and your own well being. But is it what makes a woman fall in love??....really

hb9's are just as insecure as any other girl,

Yes this IS the human condition. But they still have awareness of what kind of calibre of guy they can attract, as they are fully sentient. Women are in fact surprisingly intelligent. The bad news is that neither women or ourselves can escape the ever-repeating message that nature and society have ingrained so deeply on BOTH sexes...that is to mate with someone beautiful and pretty.

 

[Single_Sucks]

I would like to add that this theory is NOT meant to get people depressed. Neither is meant to cheer people up. Its just the sum of my observations, as a highly sociable person, over my 10 years of chasing girls.

I fully encourage going out and meeting chicks, having confidence and being suave.

 

[Crazy Asian]

you should change ur name.
cause it just made me loose respect for anything you said before i even read it.

 

[Number_One]

you should change ur name.

Yes, it was a really rubbish name, lol

This my new name

 

[Mike32ct]

The attractiveness of other men is a very difficult thing to judge. One must be able to do this impartially and unaffected by the biases we own. Many of us also do not understand which physical features women put real value on. Physcologically, it is natural to not want to admit a guy looks better than oneself. Alot of us guys tend to rate other men lower than they really are.

Good news, you're probably good looking, more so than you think. Being average is great, if that is true, because it is light years better than being 'Ugly' which many people are.

Yes, I believe to grasp ladder theory then the observer must be totally impartial. I agree with all the other points you make though.

I agree 100 percent. Guys need to stop trying to guess other guys' attractiveness. We don't and never will see men the way women do. We might think the guy is ugly as sin, but rest assured, the HB9 he's dating doesn't see it that way. She's not going to date an ugly guy. She has a reputation to protect.

Notwithstanding, a lot of hot girls will choose a guy that is slightly less good looking that them, so he doesn't steal the attention. But they won't date an ugly guy, barring some other major mitigating factor: he's rich, an actor/politician/rock star, etc.

 

[6-heads lewis]

how many of you guys sell used cars? lets see a show of hands.

 

[6-heads lewis]

I agree 100 percent. Guys need to stop trying to guess other guys' attractiveness. We don't and never will see men the way women do. We might think the guy is ugly as sin, but rest assured, the HB9 he's dating doesn't see it that way. She's not going to date an ugly guy. She has a reputation to protect.

how often do you see that? enough of this circulator rhetoric and meaningless terms like "the matrix".

go to the park on a summer day, and observe all the couples. write down how many of them are fairly evenly matched in looks, and write down how many obviously ugly guys you see which HB9's.

you can come up with exceptiuons, but it is absolutely ridiuclous to strive be the 1% exception, rather than follow the path of the other 99%, which is be as good-looking as possible, socialize like a "normal" person, and display some kind of wealth or power or male dominance in some way.

we have a forum dedicated to following the 1% exception, if this **** worked, do you think there would be endless guys spouting theories on this forum? don't you think those guys would be too busy banging their hot girlfriends?

 

[Number_One]

So after "10 years in the field" you name yourself "single sucks."

I'm on a quest to find myself a girlfriend, I think most people are. i'm not afraid to admit that on an anonymous forum. I found the name relevant and humourous at the time but I guess I won't live it down now. :crazy:

and 10 years in the field, I never said that. I said "10 years chasing women", and honestly only 4 years with the help of sosuave. I'm not claiming any form of greatness here, just stating what I see in my observations.

Wanted a level headed discussion of facts...got haters