Kiss-Close Mandatory for Second Dates?

[Sargeholic]

Yesterday, I went through and charted out some outcomes for the 26 dates I have been on in the past 9 months where I actually tried for a second date. (there have been about 10 where I basically decided that I wanted nothing further--we won't count these) I specifically related this to whether or not I kissed them at the end of the date. Here they are:

14 kiss closes attempted - 13 succeeded (one gave me the ol' cheek). Of these 13 successful kiss closes, 11 led to at least a second date. Mid date kiss closes tended to be stronger long-term than end of date, "doorstep" kisses.

12 dates I did not attempt a kiss close. Only 1 of these led to a second date. This one second date did not lead to a third.

What we can surmise from this:

• A kiss close has a 93% chance of succeeding, and is over 10 times more likely to produce a second date than in its absence (84% compared to 8.3%).
  
• Obviously, there are positive signs that led me to kiss the ones I did in the first place, but it can be hypothesized that at least some of the 12 no-attempts I could have kissed if I tried.
  
• I should be ratcheting the kino and escalation much harder and more consistently if I want second dates. I need to find a way to kiss every girl I date at some point on the first date(assuming I want to see them again).

Do women dismiss it as a lack of attraction and/or chemistry if a first date does not end in at least a kiss?

I would really be interested in hearing the opinions of any women on this one as well.

 

[xblitz44x]

You can't really say that if you go for the kiss close 10 times, 9 are going to land because the ones that you attempted, you did so because you got a vibe. Whether she made her attraction to you obvious, or you had to figure it out through subtle hints, you had a good feeling before you went in. I have been on dates where I KNOW the kiss close would have been awkward and pointless because there is just no chemistry or spark.

When you've got the gut feeling that the girl in front of you wants to be kissed, kiss her. Sometimes it's not easy but you just get a more clear feeling the more practice you have at it. You can't throw percentages around because it always depends on the man, the woman, and the circumstance.

 

[The Bad Ass Canadian]

Any girl i vibe with, i will kiss. first date...first hour... doesn't matter.

if i don't kiss a girl on the first date, it means I'm not interested. There's no chemistry, so there will never be a second date.