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Kiss Close Fail

GhostWriter

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Hey guys,

I had a great date today. This girl has been pursuing me for 2 weeks and asked me out tonight. I went because I wasn't doing anything that night and I figured what the heck.

She looked pretty good today, lots of IOIs and touching each other lightly. She even gave me a massage for a minute when I cracked my back in the middle of our date.

So far everything was going perfect. However, at the end of the night I tried to kiss close. She turned her cheek and as we sat in the car we both had a very awkward silence. I unlocked the door expecting her to leave ASAP...

Then she asked me, "Do you kiss all girls?"
"No..."
"Huh?"
"I've kissed all girls but you."
"Why not?"
"Well apparently you didn't want a goodnight kiss."

*awkward silence

"Okay, I'll catch you later, bye"

She very slowly got out of the car. I immediately deleted her number, but she called me once she got home ( I didn't answer). Then she sent me a text saying how much fun she had and a text kiss (wtf?).

Is it possible that I gave off a player vibe and she thinks she's just another girl?

Or am I stupid to even analyze what happened tonight.

Disclaimer: This was my very first kiss close failure. I would have expected her to just take the peck on the cheek then say goodnight and exit the vehicle. Also not try to call me or send me some dumbazz text.
 

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Mr Wright

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She turned her cheek, thats not really an out right rejection. Ive had girls turn their cheek then 5 minutes later we're passionately making out. All you have to do when she turns her cheek is show that it hasnt effected you and say something cheeky like "i'll get you next time" or anything that conveys that you get it, because a cheek turn isnt a massive retraction and a "WOOOAH dude i didnt see that coming". Some girls might automatically do that the first time a guy tries to kiss them as a test, or just out of habit.

Dont give up because she wouldnt call you back if she wasnt interested, she knows what you want.
 

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ive said it before and i will say it again. go in for the kiss before they have time to give you their cheek.

Sorta like a hawk diving in for its prey. the hawk dont give its prey enough time to hide in the bushes, does it?
 

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Espi said:
You did nothing wrong...rejection is a part of the game...just keep swinging the bat...i.e. find other girls.
Yeah but that wasnt rejection, that happens all the time, you just have to not let it phase you and try again later maybe once you built up some more attraction.
 

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I feel like you weren't aggressive enough. You got shot down the first time and didn't recover. This has happened to me a couple times. What I do is just keep trying and be persistent. After the first "Rejection" you should say you only get one more shot and try again. Girls do this because they want to portray an image even though they do want to kiss you.
 

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Thanks guys, yea I did act as if it did not affect me.

This was a result from having other plates. I simply shrugged it off and met my friends at a bar, who happened to pull some girls and were chatting it up.

Even though a cheek might not be an outright rejection, I think I'll not waste time on this girl. I've always succeeded with a kiss close before, no reason to stop now. I was just confused by what happened and wanted to see if maybe I could learn from this situation.

If she keeps pursuing me, the next date will be at my house because I'm not going to blow any more time, gas or money on this b!tch.
 

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This is something I simply don't get about a lot of guys here. Are you guys so dependent on sex within 1 or 2 dates that a girl turning her cheek after all of those IOIs is enough for you to delete her number? Wow. I tend to have more fun with the girls that do that. I try to see how soon after that I can get the kiss. Hint: It's usually not long at all!

And she's obviously interested - chasing you, touching you, massaging you, not leaving after the awkward moment, texting and calling right away to tell you she had a good time. This looks to be a no-doubter. Yet, you delete her number because she turns her cheek on the first attempt?

I don't see an issue with not spending any more money on this girl, but I simply don't get the thought of dropping her (unless you simply aren't interested).
 

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PDubb75 said:
This is something I simply don't get about a lot of guys here. Are you guys so dependent on sex within 1 or 2 dates that a girl turning her cheek after all of those IOIs is enough for you to delete her number? Wow. I tend to have more fun with the girls that do that. I try to see how soon after that I can get the kiss. Hint: It's usually not long at all!

And she's obviously interested - chasing you, touching you, massaging you, not leaving after the awkward moment, texting and calling right away to tell you she had a good time. This looks to be a no-doubter. Yet, you delete her number because she turns her cheek on the first attempt?

I don't see an issue with not spending any more money on this girl, but I simply don't get the thought of dropping her (unless you simply aren't interested).
I completely agree with this. I wouldn't stop. From your description of the date and what happened after, I don't see this as a rejection. I think Mr Wright's perspective on this is correct. She could have just as easily have been scared and panicked. There's no reason to ditch her yet, especially considering she is still contacting you. IMO, she sent you those texts after because she really liked you and realized her mistake.
 

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Last two posters are correct. I suspect a lot of posters on this board claim to delete numbers when they havent really, in an attempt to make themselves look better to this board.

Otherwise it's unnecessary and bordering on stupidity
 
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