"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Kino "test"? (Kino experts welcomed)

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Lately I've been real interested in learning about kino and how to utilize it to read attraction and escalate...

The last few weeks I've been trying my own test and the results seem to correlate with other IOIs

What I do is press my hand against a girls hand as I'm speaking to her, usually the back of my hand touching hers.

Her response is key, if she instinctively pulls away and doesn't let the touch last I don't think there is much attraction there. However, if she doesn't move her hand and "accepts" contact, I take it as a possible IOI.

Does anyone think this could be a legit test or indicator?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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this is a new one. you might be showing clear interest by touching her like this, which kind of violates the rule.. don't show interest unless she shows you interest.

Try doing more natural funny kinos which don't look creepy, like a light hug or a hi-5, or a cool handshake. Keep it funny and natural.
 

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LostAndConfused said:
Light punch to the arm works for me. If she smiles there is at least a little interest there
yeah, that seems funny and natural.
 

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daygameguy said:
this is a new one. you might be showing clear interest by touching her like this, which kind of violates the rule.. don't show interest unless she shows you interest.
Thanks for the advice. I figure someone has to show interest first, and of course I'd rather hint at it through kino then blatantly tell her or acting needy.

I also usually only do it at a bar or a party, where everyone's guard is down and kino is done more freely.

As for it being creepy, it doesn't really seem that creepy to do it here and there as the conversation is flowing, I usually do it as I'm emphasizing something. But I have to be careful about overdoing it.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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i always use a light kino before going to A2. It gets a smile and raises the interest level.
 

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tsmith2334 said:
Lately I've been real interested in learning about kino and how to utilize it to read attraction and escalate...

The last few weeks I've been trying my own test and the results seem to correlate with other IOIs

What I do is press my hand against a girls hand as I'm speaking to her, usually the back of my hand touching hers.

Her response is key, if she instinctively pulls away and doesn't let the touch last I don't think there is much attraction there. However, if she doesn't move her hand and "accepts" contact, I take it as a possible IOI.

Does anyone think this could be a legit test or indicator?
This is about right. A woman who wants you, and wants to sleep with you, once she has established that you arent a rapist, or going to hurt her, and once she is in a comfortable setting has no problems with touch. There is a woman at my job who I am attracted to and she is a former trauma victim, and FREAKS out if she is touched without permission. Another one I like is extremley flirtatious, and I am going to be liberal with the Kino, we are meeting tomarrow for Fat Tuesday at a bar. I'm getting her some beads and other party favors. There will be many jokes made about what she is "going to show me" lots of flirting, I'll take her hand to check out her rings, I'll push her hair back over her ear, I'll lightly touch her back, I'll check out any neclace she has on. This is simply more or less a "priming" date. We may or may not "hold hands" but she will definatley get kissed that night. If all works as well as I think it should, I will kiss her deeply at the end of the night, THEN LEAVE. I dont want to nail her just yet. I want to make her body respond to me, and I want her to spend a good deal of the day thinking about me, I want to make the sexual tension between us grow, to the point where she is practically begging me to fukk her.

I did this with another gal in 2005. She came on very strong, and we set up a date at a nightclub. (10 days in advance) Well, the night of the date came and she flaked! I had to call her, but when I did she showed up right away. This was after SHE asked me for my number. We sat at the table, and talked and drank, and all of a sudden, we found ourselves in line at the restrooms. There was a little room to the side, where I pulled her into and we made out for about 5 minutes. The night was a blast after that. We danced till the place closed, and then ate late night dinner, her ex was calling her the whole time!!! (LOL) It went about as great as it could have without the sex. I know she was wet. Still, I waited, and Valentine's Day came, and I had to work. But strictly by chance we landed up at the same club, (Her with her Valentine's Date) She landed up ditching his ass, and following me to my place, where I had her undressed in about 25 minutes.

I plan on following much the same plan with my Fat Tuesday Date.
 

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JackPrescott said:
This is about right. A woman who wants you, and wants to sleep with you, once she has established that you arent a rapist, or going to hurt her, and once she is in a comfortable setting has no problems with touch. There is a woman at my job who I am attracted to and she is a former trauma victim, and FREAKS out if she is touched without permission. Another one I like is extremley flirtatious, and I am going to be liberal with the Kino, we are meeting tomarrow for Fat Tuesday at a bar. I'm getting her some beads and other party favors. There will be many jokes made about what she is "going to show me" lots of flirting, I'll take her hand to check out her rings, I'll push her hair back over her ear, I'll lightly touch her back, I'll check out any neclace she has on. This is simply more or less a "priming" date. We may or may not "hold hands" but she will definatley get kissed that night. If all works as well as I think it should, I will kiss her deeply at the end of the night, THEN LEAVE. I dont want to nail her just yet. I want to make her body respond to me, and I want her to spend a good deal of the day thinking about me, I want to make the sexual tension between us grow, to the point where she is practically begging me to fukk her.
Yea, I knew I was onto something with the touching.

I do think I kidna screwed up last time around however. I was drunk at the bar and the touching went from subtle to playfully agressive. Like, I messed up her hair (I actually read to do that on here :rolleyes:) and I pretended to bump into her.

I wanted to establish dominance and set a sexual tone, but I'm thinking it probably came across as overbearing and took away from setting up an elusive type of attraction...
 
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