"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Kino: Moving past Hugs and Cheek Kisses

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I've been on two proper dates with this girl. but have been out with her a couple other times previous. the last date for the first time is when she hugged me. (i bought her flowers.. we were walking to the restaurant and the owner of flowershop next door came out to greet me .. etc etc. bought her flowers) .. after the date when i dropped her off. hug before she got outta car. and i pointed to cheek. "where's my kiss" so she immediately gave me a big kiss.

now there's been no hand holding.. just alot of kino as we were passing pencil/pad back and forth in minigolf. a bit at the dinner table as she kicked me under the table?? does that count? lol i kicked her back lightly. but anyways.

two things.

a. how do i move forward in the touch dept.

b. she called me two days after date to "ask how night course was" and what not. when do i return this call? next day? or two days after.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Too2shai

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bump.. next dates tonight. help me out here guys lol. i read the bible. read alot of kino stuff. still left hanging.


err. i called her and setup the coffee date tonight. glad i waited a day to return her call.
 
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Q-Pid

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Think with your ****. :D Do whatever feels natural.

Seriously though - she'll think you're gay if you don't make a move by the third date.
 

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This post doesn't sound right. But I’ll leave someone is picking out the trolls.

Anyways,

Stop letting her make the moves

YOU NEED to start making the moves NOW!

Instead of asking for a kiss on the check you should of made a move and kiss her on the lips.

Don't be gay and don't be a kid in middle school. Hell wait I’ve seen middle school kids have more game then that so i take that back don't be a 5th grader in elementary.

"Those who hesitate, Masturbate" – DeeJay
 

AndyW

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INcrease your Kino earlier in the date - get her comfy with the idea of you two touching. At least thats what i'd say. Then it might make her more comfortable with giving YOU more Kino at the end of the date, and you can take it from there.

having said that, I'm lost with Kino at the moment....everytime i see this girl out she gives me a HUGE hug, and a kiss on the cheek, then we stand there with our arms round each other and we both lean RIGHT in to each other (brushing cheeks) talking directly into each others ears....but yet i know she is casually seeing some guy (has been for only a couple of weeks). We are SO comfortable being in each others' personal / intimate space, but as she is seeing a bloke i don't feel i can make a move (she already thinks i am a player!)

Any thoughts on how to play that would be great - figured it fits into this post kinda well.

thanks.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Sweetcheeks

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This works well for me...

Ask for a back massage. To do this properly, you have to lie down, and she needs to straddle you.

Keep the conversation going, and start teasing her in a playful manner.

More often than not, that will lead to either a wrestling match or tickling. Either way, it gets the juices flowing, the emotions high, and leads to at least a kiss, etc.
 

Vincent Freeman

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My best advice to you is to bring up that kino. If you haven't kissed her yet, a 3rd date is fair game for AT LEAST a goodnight kiss. But definetely, bring up that kino!! If you don't really soon, your going to end up getting sweeped into the friendship container. Unless that's what you want, I would stop thinking and start doing. Good luck!
 
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