Kenyan Women Vow to Withhold Sex in Bid to End Political Feud

[horaholic]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518465,00.html

NAIROBI, Kenya — Thousands of Kenyan women vowed Wednesday to begin a weeklong sex strike to try to protest their country's bickering leadership, which they say threatens to revive the bloody chaos that convulsed the African country last year.

Leaders from Kenya's largest and oldest group dedicated to women's rights, the Women's Development Organization, said they hope the boycott will persuade men to pressure the government to make peace.

Eleven women's groups are participating in the strike. The groups have also called on the wives of President Mwai Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga to abstain. It was not clear how either wife responded to the request.

"We have looked at all issues which can bring people to talk and we have seen that sex is the answer," said Rukia Subow, chairman of the Women's Development Organization. "It does not know tribe, it does not have a (political) party and it happens in the lowest households."

Sex strikes are rare worldwide. Many men in Kenya are polygamous, as is allowed by law.

Kenyan government spokesman Alfred Mutua said he was unaware of the strike.

The disputed election between Kibaki and then-challenger Odinga led to violence that killed more than 1,000 people and left more than 600,000 homeless. The two were installed after a month of mediation, but infighting has threatened to break apart the fragile coalition.

It think that would either work very well, or very bad.

 

[Da Realist]

All I can say is that there will be a boom in prostitution in Kenya.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

I think it's another case of women having too much power in a marriage. It's really just a form of extortion.

Perhaps in the past I should have withheld spending any $$ on my women if they were going to vote for the socialists. Or make her sleep on the floor unless she cooked my dinner.

On a similar note, I have had women in my past try to use sex as a weapon (or a reward) with me. Every time it was attempted I calmly looked at them and said "Do not ever use sex as a weapon with me". If they attempt it on you, you need to set a boundary or just walk away.

Comparing Kenya to the USA or any first world country is a tad silly. Those women have no power at all in marriage. Most Africans practice polygamy anyway.

 

[Jitterbug]

I remember learning in history about a similar sex strike in ancient Greece or Rome that actually did work to stop wars.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Danger,
Abserbluddylutely I have been there done that,if they do it just the Once they will always do it every time things don't go their way....best (once only)just discuss it,if they defend their position just pviss them off.

 

[horaholic]

It actually IS a noble cause. It is trying to stop a freaking war, not stupid chick-crap they normally pull. If that worked in ancient Rome, it could work anywhere. Dudes would probably throw their chicks to the lions if they were vag-badgered in any way.

 

[ketostix]

It is not silly in that it is still extortion. It matters not what Country it occurs in. When a woman uses sex as a weapon, that is no different then a man using his earning power as a weapon. They are mirror opposites.

I agree. Women basically have their pvssy as leverage and it's no different than men using earning power as leverage. Except in Western countries men don't have any earning power advantage over women, so men have no leverage to balance things out. Feminist knew that. They knew once they got economic power, they had it all.

Ending war is noble, using extortion to do it is just crushing one evil and raising up another.

I'd have to see the facts about this war. If women are using extortion againt their own men to end a war then they are also siding against their own men. Generally women aren't noble in their opposition to end war, instead usually naive and ignorant of the enemies true motives and goals. Women don't understand a threat until it's too late. So add political/military decision to the list of economic power to things women aren't fair-minded enough to possess.

 

[Luthor Rex]

I remember learning in history about a similar sex strike in ancient Greece or Rome that actually did work to stop wars.

It was actually a play called Lysistrata.

The Kenyan women probably got the idea from there.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

It is not silly in that it is still extortion. It matters not what Country it occurs in. When a woman uses sex as a weapon, that is no different then a man using his earning power as a weapon. They are mirror opposites.

Extortion? Woment withholding sex to stop men fighting is extortion? Chaps, you are not entitled to her ***** just because you are married to her. Its not a piece of meat we are talking about here. If she is withholding sex to gain an advantage over you it says somethng about her character. In this case, is it really such a bad thing?

Kenyan women have ZERO power in most marriages. Marriage in Africa and marriage in the USA are very different. Like I say, they practice polygamy. Jesus, men buy wives with cattle there.

This is not the same as a woman withholding sex because you did not buy her a pair of shoes. They trying to stop their men from fighting. Its a totally different mindset and culture completely and viewing it in the same way you view western relationships displays ignorance.

 

[ketostix]

Extortion? Woment withholding sex to stop men fighting is extortion? Chaps, you are not entitled to her ***** just because you are married to her. Its not a piece of meat we are talking about here. If she is withholding sex to gain an advantage over you it says somethng about her character. In this case, is it really such a bad thing?

Well I think it amounts to coercion if not extortion. It's really no different from men saying they're not going to do a damn thing for women unless they acquiesce to their demands. Is that not similar to coercion or extortion?

Kenyan women have ZERO power in most marriages. Marriage in Africa and marriage in the USA are very different. Like I say, they practice polygamy. Jesus, men buy wives with cattle there.

I'm not an expert on Kenya or the politics there but I doubt the average man there has all that much power. How they do things there I'm sure is necessitated by economic realities. Men may buy wives with cattle there, and in the US men buy wives with what amounts to a whole lot more resources than cattle. Six of one and half dozen of the other.

This is not the same as a woman withholding sex because you did not buy her a pair of shoes. They trying to stop their men from fighting. Its a totally different mindset and culture completely and viewing it in the same way you view western relationships displays ignorance.

Well the concept is still the same. Women using the one thing they primarily have to offer men as leverage to control men, and women trying to dictate politics, etc. Maybe the fighting going on in Kenya is a necessary fight.

 

[SXS]

In a marriage, women are securing "stability" while men are securing a source for "sex".

This is why relationships dont work. Men enter relationships as a way to get sex, women enter relationships to get everything other than sex.


Also this is an example of how women think they can solve everything by opening their legs.

 

[ketostix]

Being a man means, sometimes, that you have to stand up and fight. Don't expect women to understand that.

This yet another good reason why it's justified that men should have preferential access to economic power. Funny how it's women who get the preferential treatment, but men are responsible for defending the nation's very existance.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

And should I withhold my earning power until she votes for a Capitalist instead of a Socialist? Is that really such a bad thing? Or maybe I should withhold until she agrees that we should get rid of Osama Bin Laden?

My point is the same regardless of the politics, government, or marriage rights. In a marriage, women are securing "stability" while men are securing a source for "sex". This is what one is generally seeking from the other. When one side suddenly decides to "up the price" after the marriage has been consummated, well to me that constitutes fraud and needs to be addressed.

To put this in another light, what is really happening here is the woman is using the prize between her legs to force a man to submit. Would anyone here, as a DJ, give up his beliefs for a piece of tail? Would any man here pay tribute to a woman so that he may be paid with her pu$$y, married or not? If you would pay tribute for a woman's pu$$y when you are not yet married, would you then continue to pay tribute for it after marriage?

Men fighting can be a noble thing, women want security and stability and will often manipulate to get their needs met as opposed to the method of men (physical warfare).....this is exactly why they use extortion or coercion to get what they want.

Being a man means, sometimes, that you have to stand up and fight. Don't expect women to understand that.

This is not a brawl on a street corner. These are blood feuds that could have been raging for years. They are wars in some cases that ceased to have any real reason years ago. There is nothing noble about it. It is savage and it is extreme and it could rip the entire region apart. The level of violence these people surround themselves with daily is something you would not be able to comprehend. The last elections almost escalated into another Rwanda. Believe it or not, the girls are actually right here.

I cannot believe for a minute that you would completely discount the effect culture has on sex and relationships. African men dont marry women to secure sex FFS. They do it for reasons other than sex. These are cultures that practice polygamy. Dowry systems. Marriages are often business arrangements, alliances, pooling resources, extending family lines. Gender roles are clearly defined.

Sex has no value in an African marriage because they practice polygamy.

****, for all this talk of people breaking out of the matrix, sometimes I wonder if they dont just create another one in the process.

 

[SXS]

Sex has no value in an African marriage because they practice polygamy

You have no idea what are you talking about. Everyone practices polygamy, and you dont know the first thing about Africa.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

You have no idea what are you talking about. Everyone practices polygamy, and you dont know the first thing about Africa.

Im from Africa.

 

[mrRuckus]

It actually IS a noble cause. It is trying to stop a freaking war, not stupid chick-crap they normally pull

It's not really noble. They're being affected by it and thus are doing what they can to stop it. If it were say, far away like the wars we fight, the women wouldn't care and would be cheating on the soldiers like here (which by the way i think should be considered treason)

Most Africans practice polygamy anyway.

They do?

So there's like 20 men and 100 women?

 

[Hooligan Harry]

They do?

So there's like 20 men and 100 women?

Hahahahahaha. Yeah, its great to live in a country where we have such great life expectancies and cushy lifestyles eh? There are as many men as there are women. Seems so normal now.

Like most poor countries, there is a much higher mortality rate among young men. Be it through hard living, war or dangerous work. Many spend extended time away from their families too as there is little work in rural areas. So there is a shortage of men across the board and one with resources will take mutliple wives.

Marriage is normally only agreed to when the man can afford to BUY his wives hand in marriage and support her. That normally comes with him giving her father cattle, land or money. Its called labola, its a dowry system. Its a payment though. Which means a fair few never marry because they never have the resources to marry.

People in Africa do not have the same concept of fidelity that westerners do. Many never marry although they may spend long periods of time with the same partners. The assumption that relationships the world over are typical of western relationships is misguided.

It differs between socio economic and ethnicity (whites and asians dont practice this) but polygamy is common and widespread.

All Im suggesting is that people need to have an open mind about things sometimes. As soon as you guys saw "women deny sex" you automatically jump to the conclusions that they are using it in the same way western women typically would. The cultures are different and sex is viewed differently.

For what its worth, its a pointless exercise because the women there have zero power. Be it legally or sexually. I just think its naive to assume that the sense of entitlement feminism has instilled is a worldwide problem.

 

[SXS]

Im from Africa

So what ? Where do you live exactly ? Theres a big difference when you compare Egipt with south Africa. Which country do you live ?

All Im suggesting is that people need to have an open mind about things sometimes. As soon as you guys saw "women deny sex" you automatically jump to the conclusions that they are using it in the same way western women typically would. The cultures are different and sex is viewed differently

Yes, but so what ? The news says that thousands of women vow to no sex. Ok, then, but still, what exactly the wife or mistress of a nobody having no sex will do ? It's not like the people with political power will be affected by it at all. Now, explain how it would be effective, compared to, lets say, a hunger strike.
I mean, in the case of the iranian american journalist arrested in Iran, it would make sense if her father vow to have a sex strike to protest it ?

It differs between socio economic and ethnicity (whites and asians dont practice this) but polygamy is common and widespread.

When do you use the word polygamy, what exactly do you mean ? Do you mean a person having multiple sex partners or a man having more than a wife, supporting more than one women ?

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Why are you are trying to turn this thing into a ****ing pissing contest?

Born and raised in South Africa, although I left that wretched place behind a year ago. Traveled throughout Africa and have worked a fair amount throughout that **** pit. I have family that still farm in Kenya. Comparing Egyptian to African culture is ****ing retarded though. One is black, the other is Arab. I dont quite understand where you are going with this though?

Im suggesting that cultural differences play a role in the way people perceive and value sex and you seem intent on telling me I am a lunatic for thinking this? Maybe you could explain your background. Im starting to think I am talking to a Masai warrior here the way you are carrying on.

You tell me I dont know Africa, when I say I am African then you "so what?".

Yes, but so what ? The news says that thousands of women vow to no sex. Ok, then, but still, what exactly the wife or mistress of a nobody having no sex will do ? It's not like the people with political power will be affected by it at all. Now, explain how it would be effective, compared to, lets say, a hunger strike.
I mean, in the case of the iranian american journalist arrested in Iran, it would make sense if her father vow to have a sex strike to protest it ?

A hunger strike? In Africa? Are you a moron or something?

Look if English is not your first language then I will apologise. If it is, then this debate between us is over. Please clarify what you are trying to say because it makes no sense.

When do you use the word polygamy, what exactly do you mean ? Do you mean a person having multiple sex partners or a man having more than a wife, supporting more than one women ?

Both? You think all Africans go down to the court of law to get hitched? Or a christian church? Many classify themselves as married even though legally they would not be. Again, this point you raise makes no sense? Is it a rhetorical question or what?

Look its quite simple. Dont assume that sex and relationships between men and women are the same the world over. Dont paint all women with the same brush because of experiences you have had with people in your own culture. The dynamic is different. Sex has high value in western countries because those societies made it more valuable. If sex in Kenya was hard to come by then those threats would mean something. If women had power in sex it would mean something. As it stands, its a genuine protest, not a form of manipulation. THEY HAVE ZERO POWER. How do you gain leverage if you have no power to begin with? In western society, where monogamous relationships are the order of the day and women can control sex, they have leverage. With leverage comes the ability to manipulate. Kenyan women dont have that. Their protest is actually a protest, not a way to manipulate men into doing what they want them to do.

People are free to agree or disagree.

 

[Lord Shinra]

Women withholding sex.. soon were going to see a decline in the world population.