"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Kenichi, Canasian PUA.

kenichi

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- What's the difference between a blonde and a mosquito? The mosquito stops sucking after u slap it. :)

I'm Ken, a ****y and funny aspiring pickup artist; a tall, slender 19 year old Asian, who lives in Canada. I started studying the pickup arts about 6 months ago when I had just blew it with a girl, and I opened a Double Your Dating mailbag email from David DeAngelo, which I later found out was sent to me because my friend secretly subscribed me. I became fascinated with the concept of picking up women that YOU wanted to be with, not just taking the hand-me-downs, and the fact that it could all be done by anyone.

I used to be able to pull some girls, and get their numbers but it never went much further than that. I would always fcuk it up by acting very clingy and needy in person, on the phone and even on MSN. I would talk to them every chance I got, and compliment them nonstop... :flowers:

Now I can easily open girls and have them think that I am a cool guy. So far I have yet to close a cold approach although I think I could have probably got a number close. I usually don't cold approach but when I do I approach maybe 4 sets in 20 or 30 minutes. When I go out to social events with my friends I can almost instantly get 2 or 3 people to like me without much effort.
I can only really do well in social interactions when I'm feeling my best though, when I'm really tired I come off very try-hard and awkward.

Although it would be kind of cool to be with a different girl every night, I am mostly in it for a long term relationship with a very cute, and cool girl. Which is why I need some advice. I have oneitis with a very cute, and nice 17 year old Japanese cheerleader that I met through a guy that added me randomly on facebook and invited me to his birthday.

7 people showed up
MY FRIEND
BDAY BOY
JACKASS
NICEGUY
UG
KEN
RANDOM GUY

DAY 1 - June 30th
I didn't really talk to her as I was too busy busting on another girl who kept setting herself up, and she had to leave early for work. She added me on facebook and I took it to MSN and then the phone. She often compared me to her boyfriend "I love how you sing so well... my boyfriend can't sing." and that I always knew how to make her feel better... Oh and apparently her first impression of me was that I was a player...

PHONE - July 7th?
she tells me about her relationship with her boyfriend...
They started going out last May, he left her last July to lay 3 other girls, then gets back with her last September, this July he told her that he was thinking of leaving her but is not sure yet, and doesn't want to regret anything... and that he was going to go vacation for 1 month and would tell her the decision when he came back... she later tells me while I'm in Hong Kong that her bf came back July 30th or something and told her that they should stay together... but also that he doesn't see them together in 2 years...


I went to Hong Kong to visit family on July 10th. I stayed in touch with everyone I met during the DAY 1. I talked to the girl on facebook and often teased her about her height and arranged a DAY 2 for when I would come back; karaoke at my place(she suggested my place. =] ). I come back on August 10th...

PHONE - August 14th?
She tells me she has to tell me something... I told her to tell NICEGUY because I don't want to be her shoulder to cry on... she practically begs me so I say "Okay fine, but you owe me"
Apparently some guy txt her bf to ask her out "I really like your gf, can I take her to a movie?" long story short... bf volunteers her, she goes, the guy tries to go kino too fast, she gets uncomfortable and slaps him lightly and tells her bf, her bf gets mad at her.

DAY 2 - August 16th
I asked her to come out and meet me at 1:30PM at a mall food court because I had bought a stuffed animal for her while I was in Hong Kong(I claimed that it reminded me of her because it was cute and very small). On the bus ride there I sarged and approached 4 two-sets.
I met her at the food court and I began busting on her recklessly and then we walked around and after going to a couple stores we bounced to subway because I wanted a drink we discussed random things in a newspaper left on the table. We then returned to the mall and got lost and for some reason we ended up at Starbucks where we had some smalltalk. After about 20 seconds I initiated a game of MARRY, FCUK, KILL and chose an old man, an ugly man, and a very out of date below average looking man; she then chose 3 old ladies for me, I closed my eyes and pointed "MARRY, FCUK, KILL" and then I suggested that we play using people we know...
HER: me, UG, and your friend
ME: kill my friend, marry UG but never go home to her ;), and fcuk you *smirk*
HER: :)
ME: Your turn
HER: Okay.
ME: JACKASS, NICEGUY, ME
HER: kill JACKASS, because I don't like him, marry NICEGUY because you won't be my shoulder to cry on, or that's what u said on the phone last time, so I would fcuk you. :)
ME: That's awesome, we should just get a hotel room then. I like you, and you like me, there you go...or like in the washroom or something if u want it now
HER: nah. *blush* :)
We continued to play MARRY FCUK KILL around the mall for a while and then I brought her to the bus stop so she could go to work.
I approached a 3 set on the bus ride home.

PHONE - August 17/18
She was supposed to go camping on August 18th so I didn't plan anything with her. I talked to her on the phone and after a while I told her I liked her and she told me she liked me a lot too. :) Her parents kept procrastinating and it ended up August 22nd but was not allowed to go out. :( She came back on August 29th

PHONE - August 19th?
I call her and we talk about random stuff and somewhere in there we started talking about facebook and she made me take this "What would you do if" quiz
and after I answered I made her answer too, she wasn't on her computer so she had me read the questions to her from my laptop. When the questions "What would you do if i kissed you" and "What would you do if I held your hand?" She said "I would let you/I would do it back. :)" and I swear she blushed...

PHONE - August 29th
We talk briefly and she told me she wrote me a letter while she was at camp.
We talked about random stuff...

PHONE - August 30th
We talk and I think she said something that I was fake mad about and I hung up on her. Later that night she changed her facebook relationship status from in a relationship with AHOLE BF to "single".

PHONE - September 1st
I ask her if she's going to a bbq hosted by a mutual friend and offer to pick her up from the subway station. I also told her that I was going to get my hair cut and that she could come along if she liked, she said she would love to come.

DAY 3(BBQ) - September 2nd
I wait for her at the subway station for 15 min, I arrived early because I got a ride. On the from the subway to the hair salon and I held her hand, and she didn't resist... at the hair salon I told her "if she shaves my head bald I want u to slap her" in a joking way, the hairstylist laughed too. After that she was very hesitant to hold my hand for some reason, instead she held onto my hoodie sleeve. We still had 40 min to kill so I brought her to a nearby mall but there wasn't much to do there so we played some MARRY FCUK KILL. Then I think I pretended to be fake mad about something and I said I was going to leave her there so she grabbed my hood and said "damn, i need to get you a leash so you can't run away" and I come back with "damn ur a freak, next you will be talking about leather vests, whips and being tied up" she giggles. 20 min later we meet up my friend at a different subway station and he drives us to the bbq location. I had my arm around her the whole time on the way there and she didn't seem to mind.

At the bbq I saw the UG I met July 30th, and me and 2 other guys kept busting on each other and the UG but we kind of went too far and my oneitis got kind of pissed and wanted to go home so I brought her home... she didn't very much at all during the bus ride home...

Any advice/observations? I really do not think that I should ask her to be my girlfriend yet, for 2 reasons, she just broke up with her bf 3 days ago and I only met her 2 months ago and chilled with her twice. I think I should slow down and just chill with her a couple times to rebuild some comfort before I ask her to be my girlfriend. Please give me some advice on this. If you have any questions or need more details do not hesitate to ask.

If you have anything to say about my game, please post it here. I will accept any constructive criticism, you can even be a little bit of an AHOLE if you want.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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since you say you're looking for an LTR instead of just meaningless horishness, here's some recommended reading for you:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39729
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39769
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39785
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39887
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39888
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40188
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40241
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40347
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40698
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58363


Why are you trying to date a girl who's already dating someone else? You're just asking for one of two things to happen:
1) She'll toy with you
or
2) She'll drop/cheat on her boyfriend with you, but you won't ever be able to trust her.

It's good that she actually dumped him...in this case. The fact that she was flirting with you the whole time she was supposedly "in a relationship" with that other guy, however, tells you something about her.
 

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quite right. And if she says no, so what? You're an aspiring PUA; it will give you more opportunity to practice with other girls if this girl turns you down.
 

kenichi

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Why are you trying to date a girl who's already dating someone else? You're just asking for one of two things to happen:
1) She'll toy with you
or
2) She'll drop/cheat on her boyfriend with you, but you won't ever be able to trust her.
she showed a lot of interest and I didn't want to let a cute, cool girl just pass me by... and there was already a lot of tension between them.

greenlake just ask that girl out and u''re done. easy.
well... i don't think i should escalate when she's at her low point or anything, I rather just wait for a little bit for a better success rate. I'm not going to wait THAT long, but I do think that I should give her a little time before I move in and ask her to be my gf... seeing as she JUST broke up with her bf.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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