Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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Just Can't Close the Deal!?

Romeobadboi

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hey dj Family its been a while since i posted, and i am happy to be back on,, ive been seen this girl latly , taking her out to all the finest restaurants, rides on my bike, comedy shows and tons of events, we always have a great time with very mild kino,,, i know if a try to kiss theres a good chanch she would accept,,,,, but i just cant do it ,,, i dont know why,,,,, i am not shy,,,,, i think it may be from a fear of rejection,,,,, this problem has plagued me through many girls and dates,,,,,, i know i am in danger of the friends zone if i am not in it already,,,, but i am very confused ,,, any help family?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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rocket87

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Sounds like you're already screwed.

You are stuck up on the fear of rejection. That behavior is the furthest you can get from being alpha... And this girl wants nothing other than an alpha male - So you either kiss her the next time you see her, or you give up your chances for good.. Not really much to it man, keep it simple.. Posting on here is another pus$y move that you are taking to find more excuses and other things to do besides KISSING the girl.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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runner83

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Romeobadboi said:
and way i can convo her into relationship talk/.?
When you haven't even kissed her yet? DON'T DO THAT!

Man up, grow a pair and go for the kiss.

Chances are (97.43%) you are already in the friendzone, but at least if you go for the kiss, you'll know either way and move onto better prospects.

runner83's rule of Kissing

The chance of kissing a girl being successful is inversely proportional to the time to wait:

1st meet - 80%
2nd meet - 40%
3rd meet - 15%
Any time after that ~ 0%

You get the idea.
 

BadNews

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runner83 said:
When you haven't even kissed her yet? DON'T DO THAT!

Man up, grow a pair and go for the kiss.

Chances are (97.43%) you are already in the friendzone, but at least if you go for the kiss, you'll know either way and move onto better prospects.

runner83's rule of Kissing

The chance of kissing a girl being successful is inversely proportional to the time to wait:

1st meet - 80%
2nd meet - 40%
3rd meet - 15%
Any time after that ~ 0%

You get the idea.
98.7% of statistics are made up.

I actually JUST went through a VERY similar experience as the OP with a girl I've been after for a while...LAST NIGHT! We had gone out a number of times...but I couldnt bring myself to make a move with this girl for w/e reason as well. I was sure there was attraction there, but I was getting a few mixed signals.

Anyways, long story short..we went out last night. Comedy club, went back to watch a movie at her place. I KNEW I had to make some sort of move before I really screwed things up.

Funnily enough...she started digging..and digging..and digging a little deeper through convo. Turns out the whole time she had gotten the feeling that I had put HER in the friend zone..and wasnt really that interested in her. Which I hadnt even realized all the little bull**** a girl would read into (with the help of her friends/sister).

She said it would have been dissapointing if she had given up, found another guy and moved on without ever knowing I was into her too.

Moral of the story...MAKE SURE SHE KNOWS YOU ARE INTERESTED BEFORE SHE GIVES UP, FINDS SOMEONE ELSE, AND MOVES ON!

I lucked out...dont waste the time you have buddy!
 

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Did the same thing. Rusty after a relationship. Met a girl 2 years ago and had her at my place in 2 dates on the sofa hot and heavy and hit with LMR.. 3rd date same deal.. didnt know about freeze outs at that point.

2 years later, ask her to catch up. Trying to get laid after a breakup i had basically. She always responded to dates and i even asked her to come over again.. i think it went to like 4-5 meetings of me not doing anything. 4 and 5 she was at my house watching TV just like 2 years ago.. the 5th time she even dressed up... buying temp was high/IL was high.. but havent heard from her since...

1st dates for me are coffee and banter.. 2nd dates for sure though. Action date/kino/fun/lay it on her... gotta do it! I was kicking myself because its like, if she said "what are you doing?" or some other **** its like... shes at your house!
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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IKO69

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i would agree that regardless of where you are at you should go for it anyway just to know. even if you get rejected you will be taking away experience from it so next time you won't find yourself in this kind of situation. that's how you learn.
 

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thanks guys for all the help,,, i am going to go for it, ill keep you posted,,,

p.s i can get other girls,,, thats not the point,,, just seem there all waste of times,,, this girl has passed all of my test thats why i even botherd to post on her,,,, she's worth it,,,, i havent posted in like 3-4 years,, been laid, diss,, failed and succeded many times since then,, i am a dj, in life aspect but i always fail at the closer,,,, this if it happens will be the 3 one in row,,,, i hope it doesnt happen,,
 
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