"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Jogging with a Girl?

Alkali

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Alright, let me explain the situation.

This girl who used to have a little crush on me a long time ago (seventh grade)

Has become very, very hot.

Anyways, I have her in my physics class and she said I should go jogging with her.

Problem. I'm not the best runner in the world. I'm not unfit, but she's in cross country...

<6 minute miles will kill me.

So I pegged it to be a cruel test :kick:

There's no possible way I can keep up lol.

On the other hand, she is really hot and jogging behind her wouldn't be so bad (great view.)

I told her I'd get back to her. At the moment I'm thinking:

-Get in shape quick. Be able to run five miles in less than forty minutes pronto.

-Politely decline.

-Tag along and ask her not to dust me with a grin.

I'm leaning towards the third one. She said we could go swimming afterwards. Thats hot.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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SamePendo

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Decline? Come on!

Bet!!!

Bet a dinner, the movies, whatever, basically, bet a date! If she wins, you pay, if she looses, she pays. You'll lose, but you'll win a date!

And actually make an effort, don't give up easily. Maybe you'll even win a free date!

Ofcourse, handle the bet thing aloofly, not a big deal, etc, etc.
 

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SamePendo you genius!

I'd kiss you right now if you weren't hundred if not thousands of miles away!

How could I not think of that?
 

SamePendo

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Alkali said:
How could I not think of that?
Because, as you said. I'm a genius. And you are not.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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SamePendo said:
Decline? Come on!

Bet!!!

Bet a dinner, the movies, whatever, basically, bet a date! If she wins, you pay, if she looses, she pays. You'll lose, but you'll win a date!
Why not wager that the winner buys dinner?
 

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Wow five minutes in and this site has provided me an easy way to get a free meal with a beautiful lady.

You have about twelve hours see if you guys can fit Eva Longoria and Jessica Biel in their too!:woo:
 

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Why not just ask her out!!?? why go through all this Bvll****!?? if you don't like jogging don't jog!! What happens if the next girl likes sky diving?? are you going to jump out of a plane just to show her how tough you are???! There are other ways to show her that you are a man and part of it is taking control of the situation and not supplicating.

Don't do stuff that you don't want to do just for her sake, do stuff that both of you can enjoy and want to do.
 

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I think asking her out tomorrow would be rushing it.

I've only been talking to her in class for the past few days.

But then again, I'm not a Master Don Juan.
 

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Alkali said:
I think asking her out tomorrow would be rushing it.

I've only been talking to her in class for the past few days.

But then again, I'm not a Master Don Juan.

So you are going to wait? I got news for you. If you think she is hot, other men probably do too and until you figure out a clever way of finding a loop hole where you don't have to ask her out yet create interest, some other dude with bigger balls could be already nailing her.

That is why you should never ever focus your time and effort on one girl but several and be bold in your approaches.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Alkali said:
Geniuses don't make assumptions :nervous:
. . said the non-genius.
 

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Don't think too much into it. She wants to jog with you. She wants to spend time with you. Also, physical activity facilitates arousal. I've learned that dates such as jogging or hiking tend to end well for me.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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floydtheater07 said:
Don't think too much into it. She wants to jog with you. She wants to spend time with you. Also, physical activity facilitates arousal. I've learned that dates such as jogging or hiking tend to end well for me.
Besides, it gives her a chance to show her value by demonstrating something she's good at. Guy's do this all the time when trying to get a date with a woman. Plus he has a better chance of interacting with her well because she'll be doing something she's comfortable doing and will be less on edge. Now on the other hand, if Alkali is too concerned about winning or showing her up, he'll probably overlook any chances of reconnecting with her.
 

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I ran in the france nationals for xc four years ago along with OFSAA. Although I don't do cardio often and I've bulked up a lot I'm more than confident I could run on par with the team. Why? Because although there are physical limits, cross country is a sport of the mind. When I started out in practice if I dwelled too long on running I'd feel like I was going to die so I just ran.

If you're not obese and it's under three miles then you can do it, just don't talk or think too much. Toes up hills, don't slam your feet and arms low should be the only thoughts. You might feel weak but just imagine the end. It's also a very powerful experience when you reach the second wind. The natural high is amazing.

I say do it. Not only are you enjoying her company but doing your body several benefits. Plus no one on the xc team runs that "fast." When it's after-school practice I run at the same pace be it a 2 or 6 mile run (unless I'm running ahead so I can get popcorn chicken or a cafe). When I'm jogging with a friend no matter how good they are we usually end up in the back. She won't leave you in the dust, I assure you. Now get into shape!

PS: If it is 3 miles or you feel sore soak yourself in the coldest bath/shower your house can offer and you'll be back to normal in a day or two. Oh and I just remembered; anything under junior girls is ridiculously short and easy to run. So unless she's gr 11+ you won't have problems keeping up at all.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Just do it with her, it doesnt matter how good you are, unless you are trainning for a marathon it sounds like you want to get in with her, so just keep her company.. im sure she will not run away from you after inviting you to go, she will go at the same pace as you.. Also dont try to go too fast, otherwise you will cut off verbal communication.
 
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