"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Jerking off to porn does NOT effect your sexual state when you're with a girl.

ThunderMaverick

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God, I don't know who's idea it was to cement this crazy theory in your head...
...but jerking off to porn does NOT effect your sexual state when you're with a girl.

Here's the scenario and then the problem:


You're with a girl. You're inexperienced. To you she's still this wonderful magical creature that you're just lucky to be with. It's like you spotted a unicorn and before it had a chance to get away, you reach into your pocket for your POKEBALL and throw it at her, trapping her inside. This unicorn is unstable though. You don't know how long it'll stay in there. You want to use it to battle with other pokemon, but you're afraid it won't listen to your commands. The time comes for battle and you don't know how to control it.

Sorry for going off into the pokemon tangent, (I can't believe I compared girls to a Pikachu.) but you get the idea. Inexperienced guys have this idea that women are something that are rare and need to be caught. You drill this idea of what you're suppose to do in your head when you actually get one; A mechanical process starts.

"Hmmm Neg hits. CHECK!"

"Display higher value, CHECK!"

"be funny! ****Y! CHECK"

You do everything in the book right, but in actuality, ask yourself this: Are you really enjoying the female company? Or are you just trying to get laid?

I think the mistake many guys are making here is because they aren't COMFORTABLE enough with a female. I mean as in not just having a LUST after her, or the IDEA of lust that you're suppose to have.

"Ok, she's naked. I'm SUPPOSE to be horny! I'm suppose to be a man and be rock hard!" All the while not understanding that he should first be comfortable with a woman MENTALLY.

Good God, some of you I'm surprised don't even post about how much you enjoy the COMPANY of a feminine body around you. Just asking her what makes her feel good should be a turn on for you. Her willingness to spread her legs should be a turn on for you.


Porn isn't the problem. We see porn as we see a fast food resturant: Drive through, eat quick. You're full, but you still feel kinda..."eh." Afterwards. It hit the spot, but it's nothing like a thoughtfully prepared meal. Howabout when you go to Black Angus and have yourself a 25 dollar steak dinner? The food is AMAZING, but it's not just the food that's the experience.It's the atmosphere and the people you're with.

The problem might lie in that guys are treating women like McDonalds when they're actually Red Lobster. I'm not speaking to the guys who are TOTALLY sexually aware when it comes to women. I'm talking to guys who only look at ONE aspect of it: Get laid. You know what you're expecting from a fancy restaurant. You know you have a endless choice of options. You enjoy sitting at your table while starting with appetizers. You have a nice wine to start off with. You converse with friends or family for several minutes until your food is served. Hot and mouthwatering!

You enjoy every cut. Every bite. Every flavor on your tongue is different and exquisite. The tangy steak sauce. The tenderness of the sirloin. The juice that seeps through every bite. Ecstasy.

Imagine you had a mcdonald's mindset when going to Black Angus; "I HAVE TO EAT! THAT'S WHAT I'M SUPPOSE TO DO! MY BELLY SHOULD BE FULL!" You eat it, you don't enjoy it and it doesn't sit right at the end of the night.

Fu*king women should NOT treated as something just to f*ck. I say this because you cheat yourself out of an experience and when you do that you don't really know how to enjoy yourself. When you don't know how to enjoy yourself you get confused. The more confused you become the more confidence is lost. The more your confidence is lost, because you don't TRUST and ENJOY the situation, you go...limp. Women are an event, not a drive thru.

Also, ask yourself HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU JERKED OFF IN A DAY? You jerk for a few minutes and then find the strength to do it again 10 minutes later? Of course! Who hasn't actually jacked off 4 or 5 times in an hour!?

*raises hand* I have!:cheer:

Sure, maybe you lose a bit of testosterone, but you balls don't fall of do they? Do you grow little boobies every time you release by your own hand? No!

I'm not a genetic jackhammer and there have been times where I've jerked off right before a date. Not because I wanted to not think about sex (that only last a few minutes anyways) but because I was horny and I could. Later on in the night I had sex with my date two different times. On the date we enjoyed each other's conversation and later on in the night I genuinely enjoyed her body. I didn't treat her as a means to let my super soaker off in her. I didn't give her, in my head, the same purpose as a porno.

Two different events that should be treated differently.

Honestly, and I want the guys who are VERY experienced on this to help me out. Have you guys ever jerked off in the same day that you had sex with a girl? Did jerking off effect your performance? You have a beautiful, naked, wonderful smelling woman willing to do almost anything for you and you can't get it up?

A situation I was in a month or so ago I got sh!t drunk and had sex with a girl who was a former coworker of mine. Things were going well in the beginning of the night and we had a few good conversations. Made some jokes. Yadda yadda. When it came time (and I was plastered) I was perfectly erect. I came! We both enjoyed each other.

Don't get me wrong, sex was always on my mind the whole time, but I didn't have it in my head that's all that I needed! It wasn't the ONLY GOAL I had that night. I didn't need to be nervous because I already knew how to handle the situation when the time came.

The problem I think for a lot of you is that you dive into the situation head first, thinking maybe you're never going to get it again. This creates DOUBT in yourself and your abilities to function mentally AND as a PHYSICAL man.

If you're confident and patient and KNOW that sex will come, and when it does you will both enjoy it, you'll always be (Or will GET) HARD! HORNY! FULL ATTENTION! E-RECT. Hellooo.

Stop giving yourself the porno objective and treat a woman like a woman. Distinguish the two. Understand that they are for two different purposes. Stop being insecure. Most of all, and I think this is MOST important:

STOP RUSHING! Talk to her. Touch her all around. If it's not an intensely heated moment, go slow and bring yourselves in the mood. You can't start a run from lying down, right?

Pr0n isn't a problem. Watch as much as you want. The problems that a lot of you have will cease when you STOP blaming your lack of confidence and understanding on something that's just suppose to get you off..
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Stupid analogies. Awesome post. Good job. =D
 

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To be honest I'm not much of a....scriber? Yeah. I know the metaphors were dumb, but I was trying to make the comparisons more simple and easier to swallow.:crackup:
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I think you posted this relation to the post of that kid who couldn't get it up when he had an asian chick.

The advice given to him was he should lay of the porn and stop wanking. I sort of agreed with it.

Your points are absolutely correct. However the reason i discourage porn and self satisfaction for his perticular issue is that porn can cloud the mind and make one conceive women as just machenical flesh and the act of sex as machanical.

I've seen quite of number of young men in total disbelief to why their seduction doesn't play out as a porn movie. Why they couldn't do it like shown on the flat screen.

Also as for the none raiser in the other post, it doesn't hurt to have a storage of sexaul desire for the next time he has the chance.
 

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Hey thunder,

i have not jerked off for about a month and I am not foaming at the mouth for sex.

The newbie who gives up masturbating/porn and then becomes sex-crazed around real women means he is addicted to the dopamine release associated with orgasm. Not knowing this, he will haphazardly try to rush the girl into sex as he sees her as his only outlet (if he hasnt caved in to jerking off....yet). Of course, the girl will be repelled by this.

Scientists studying the effect of the dopamine release in the brain found that it produced the same highs of someone shooting heroin!


Now, I totally agree with you on ENJOYING women instead of focusing on getting laid. Outcome dependency creates a horrible dynamic between you and the girl.

But perpetuating a compulsion/addiction is not the solution. If we were to use your analogy, your basically saying to stuff yourself with McDonald's right before you go eat at the steakhouse. How can you fully enjoy the steak when theres no room left in the stomach?

In other words, how can you fully enjoy this woman and everything she has to offer looks, personality, and values when earlier, you watched a plethora of attractive women getting reamed on the internet?
 

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I think you have a great point, but I think you're mixing up two things here.

Yes, sexual anxiety is definitely an issue guys face (particularly newbies), but that comes from a lack of experience and comfort with themselves and women.

The effects of porn are different. The faculties in our brain can't differentiate between real visual stimulation and fake visual stimulation. So when we jerk off to porn, we're actually conditioning our minds to become stimulated looking at images of HB10's banging three dudes at once and doing all sorts of ridiculous ****. You actually condition yourself to be aroused by these images and this has actually been reflected in changes in people's neurophysiology. Porn constantly reinforces unrealistic stimulation, and so when guys who have watched 200 hours of porn, but only ****ed one girl, get in bed with another girl, the girl is not going to meet what he's been conditioned to be stimulated by. There's a book called "Neuroplasticity" that's dedicated an entire chapter to the effects of pornography on the male brain and their sex lives. You should check it out if you're skeptical.

As an experiment, about a year ago I stopped watching porn altogether (jerking off from fantasy), and my sex life noticeably improved.

Again, you raise great points about sexual anxiety and how guys should deal with it. But again, I think you're mixing it up with genuine effects that porn has on people.
 

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Well I'm not suggesting that people jerk off right before a date! I'm not saying it's the best thing to do either and that it should always be done. I never said it was a good suggestion to jerk off 20 times a day either! lol

The fact is is that I can distinguish fact from fiction. I understand the two different scenarios and I act accordingly.


Hm. I guess I could be basing this whole thing off of what me and a few of my close friends experience. A good friend of mine, when he was single, always use to complain about not having a girlfriend and that he jerked off 3 times a day. EVERYDAY. When he got a new girlfriend not too long ago, he couldn't stop bragging about how high a sex drive she had and how they were always having sex even when she tried to study.

If this scientific study is true, why have I and a few of my friends be able to get it up no problem for a girl, even after jacking off? I mean it's like we're basing this situation off a guy who JUST jerked off and THEN tried to have sex with a girl.

The effects of porn are different. The faculties in our brain can't differentiate between real visual stimulation and fake visual stimulation.
Really? I ask again why was I able to get it up so many times no problem for a girl even though I jerked off earlier in the day? Maybe it's the fact that I look forward to sex with a woman MORE than a porno? Maybe it IS just mental?
 

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just because your libido goes down doesn't mean you can't get hard
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Every single masturbation thread on this forum is a complete waste of space.

Start worrying about your **** not working when you're going through your midlife crisis.
 

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EXACTLY! That's what I'm saying!

This is where it gets back to the mental. Guys get nervous plain and simple when they're with a woman, not because they see porn, but because they don't know how to work a woman! Besides the theory of being desensitized to porn guys will still get uneasy when it comes down to the deed. They feel that when the time comes they must be in a certain sexual state (they have no idea how to get there and when they do they have no idea how to go about it) and they set their expectations to impossible heights.

Therefore you get nervous and then limp. It doesn't become a positive experience, but more of an obligation on the road to being a "man".
 

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Beware

Desensitization. Eventually, you start to become numb. Even the most graphic, degrading porn doesn't excite you anymore. You become desperate to feel the same thrill again but can't find it.

This is a fact. It does happen.
 
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