"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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"I've never had a real orgasm"

BetterCallSaul

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No, not me. I've had plenty of them. What I'm referring to is this line I've heard before from women when I was dating. I'm curious how many of you guys here have heard this line from women you've seen. What are your opinions of it and can you also post the age of the woman who said it.

When I was younger, I remember hearing this from some chicks. Of course me being a young stud, my mind immediately went into "Challenge accepted!" mode, banged her brains out during a marathon sex session that night, and then she claims "no one has ever been able to do that for me before" or something similar.

I bring this up because I was reading a post by a user on another forum and a chick he was seeing used this same line on him yet she is around 27.

Now, in my mind, there are likely a small minority of women in this world who legitimately do have problems reaching orgasm. But, for most women? Hell no. If a woman can't get herself off, she's already nuts. To me, a woman using this line at that age I would say signals a red flag. She's either going to be demanding and you've gotta make sure to be at peak performance at all times or she's still mentally immature. She's used to getting a lot of mileage out of using that line since she was younger and can't figure out how to move on past it.

Edit: For clarification, I expect that young women, probably up to even age 20, may fall into the category of not having an orgasm because they're still inexperienced. But beyond that age, to me falls into the red flag category.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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marmel75

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No, not me. I've had plenty of them. What I'm referring to is this line I've heard before from women when I was dating. I'm curious how many of you guys here have heard this line from women you've seen. What are your opinions of it and can you also post the age of the woman who said it.

When I was younger, I remember hearing this from some chicks. Of course me being a young stud, my mind immediately went into "Challenge accepted!" mode, banged her brains out during a marathon sex session that night, and then she claims "no one has ever been able to do that for me before" or something similar.

I bring this up because I was reading a post by a user on another forum and a chick he was seeing used this same line on him yet she is around 27.

Now, in my mind, there are likely a small minority of women in this world who legitimately do have problems reaching orgasm. But, for most women? Hell no. If a woman can't get herself off, she's already nuts. To me, a woman using this line at that age I would say signals a red flag. She's either going to be demanding and you've gotta make sure to be at peak performance at all times or she's still mentally immature. She's used to getting a lot of mileage out of using that line since she was younger and can't figure out how to move on past it.

Edit: For clarification, I expect that young women, probably up to even age 20, may fall into the category of not having an orgasm because they're still inexperienced. But beyond that age, to me falls into the red flag category.
Yes I have. I believe them because most guys are terrible in bed.
 

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Heard "never had one ever" a couple times but it was in my High school and college days. Heard "Never had one with a man only with myself" quite a few times. Heard "Haven't had one with a man in years" many, many, times.
 

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I heard it a couple of times.

It stopped when I got 21 and in a 5years LTR.

Now what I heard from girls: "I wonder what it is to be bang by someone else"

All these chics are in LTR.

The single ones: says they like sex, ask me on dates, or no sex talk
 

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No, not me. I've had plenty of them. What I'm referring to is this line I've heard before from women when I was dating. I'm curious how many of you guys here have heard this line from women you've seen. What are your opinions of it and can you also post the age of the woman who said it.

When I was younger, I remember hearing this from some chicks. Of course me being a young stud, my mind immediately went into "Challenge accepted!" mode, banged her brains out during a marathon sex session that night, and then she claims "no one has ever been able to do that for me before" or something similar.

I bring this up because I was reading a post by a user on another forum and a chick he was seeing used this same line on him yet she is around 27.

Now, in my mind, there are likely a small minority of women in this world who legitimately do have problems reaching orgasm. But, for most women? Hell no. If a woman can't get herself off, she's already nuts. To me, a woman using this line at that age I would say signals a red flag. She's either going to be demanding and you've gotta make sure to be at peak performance at all times or she's still mentally immature. She's used to getting a lot of mileage out of using that line since she was younger and can't figure out how to move on past it.

Edit: For clarification, I expect that young women, probably up to even age 20, may fall into the category of not having an orgasm because they're still inexperienced. But beyond that age, to me falls into the red flag category.
when you say dating, what do you mean? plates? I've honestly never heard that ever about not having a real orgasm. Sounds like beta bait hook, line, and sinker to **** with you or test how much you want to bang her. Its just an odd statement from a chick especially when 99% of what they say is all crap anyways.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The chick I am seeing is 21 and has told me she has "never had one" and doesn't masturbate. She thinks touching herself is strange and only feels right when a guy does it. She declines receiving oral. Apparently, she still enjoys sex nonetheless.
 

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I don't know that I've heard that before?!

Interesting you bring this up OP a current plate that's 33-34? What she said was more of a incoherent mumbling like what fvck did you just do to me? Nobody has ever done that blah mumble blah.

That and their face & eyes will be flushed red and it will look like a train hit them. I didn't mean to but I kinda laughed in her face, cause I didn't believe/understanding her. It kind of upset her, oh well. I honestly couldn't understand wtf she was saying & yes she was sober.

But yeah some chicks usually comment because more than likely they are fishing for compliments? But yeah if I heard a broad say that I would probably just start laughing and probably say something sarcastic, like sucks to be you!
 

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Does it matter why they say it? Either I give it my best or I don't fvck at all.

If a woman says she's never had an orgasm and you don't believe her, are you going to give mediocre performance? Or are you still gonna fvck her like there's no tomorrow like a real man?
 
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