"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Its so frustrating how I can't get my true looks to show in pics

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I was at a bar last night and this older woman was out with her friends and she literally said i was "totally beautiful "

meanwhile I look at pics of myself and I either range from mediocre (like a 5/10) to maybe slightly above average (6.5 to 7/10)

this is so frustrating you guys. If I could look like my true self (around an 8/10) in pics, I would maybe get some matches for online dating. Being only a 6 to 7 for online dating makes it completely worthless. Any halfway decent woman online is looking for 8-10/10

I know you guys will all say to try real life dating but real life dating is fukking garbage. I'm very particular about what I want (i only like cute ethnic women in mid to late 20s with nice fit but curvy bodies) and its hard to find in real life. Even when i do find it, the opportunities are garbage. I approached an attractive Spanish woman tonight...and she ends up being a married 36 year old (looked way younger) then i approach a hot black girl and she is 20 and going away to school (looked way older). Other times I find someone I want and she wants nothing to do with me. I want an ethnic 23-28 year old woman with a great body with no kids, decent job and a good personality.

I need to do online dating so I can filter out all the nonsense but i just can't make my real life good looks pop out in pics.
 
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Who says your "true self" is 8/10 ?
 

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Who says your "true self" is 8/10 ?
7.5-8/10 is probably a realistic range for me


I don't think any males below 7/10 are consistently having people call them "beautiful" and I've received that compliment many many many times in real life. The issue here is I need to find a way to look like an 8/10 in pics and I just can't do it


Even 6.5 to 7/10 women on dating sites (which I'm totally ok with as long as they're Spanish, Black, Asian, etc... and have nice toned but curvy bodies) want 8-10/10 males
 

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I was at a bar last night and this older woman was out with her friends and she literally said i was "totally beautiful "

meanwhile I look at pics of myself and I either range from mediocre (like a 5/10) to maybe slightly above average (6.5 to 7/10)

this is so frustrating you guys. If I could look like my true self (around an 8/10) in pics, I would maybe get some matches for online dating. Being only a 6 to 7 for online dating makes it completely worthless. Any halfway decent woman online is looking for 8-10/10

I know you guys will all say to try real life dating but real life dating is fukking garbage. I'm very particular about what I want (i only like cute ethnic women in mid to late 20s with nice fit but curvy bodies) and its hard to find in real life. Even when i do find it, the opportunities are garbage. I approached an attractive Spanish woman tonight...and she ends up being a married 36 year old (looked way younger) then i approach a hot black girl and she is 20 and going away to school (looked way older). Other times I find someone I want and she wants nothing to do with me

I need to do online dating so I can filter out all the nonsense but i just can't make my real life good looks pop out in pics.
Go get some pvssy and get off SS.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Too fvcking bad crybaby. Date down.

It's not like I'm asking for a 10/10 dude

I'm an 8/10 male making 180K a year. I'm happy to date a 7/10 female making 40K but she has to fit what I want (mid to late 20s, no kids, smart, preferably middle eastern/Latina/etc...)

I should be dating a 9-10/10. How many guys have my combo of looks and money? 0.1%? Keep in mind I live in a cheap area. 180K where I live is like 400K a year in LA
 

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I read the title of the thread and I had to make one guess who made it.

Perfectionism is making you far less than perfect.
 

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7.5-8/10 is probably a realistic range for me


I don't think any males below 7/10 are consistently having people call them "beautiful" and I've received that compliment many many many times in real life. The issue here is I need to find a way to look like an 8/10 in pics and I just can't do it


Even 6.5 to 7/10 women on dating sites (which I'm totally ok with as long as they're Spanish, Black, Asian, etc... and have nice toned but curvy bodies) want 8-10/10 males
LOL you cant be 8/10 because they arent as annoying
 

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How wanting a "girlfriend" kills your opportunity with women . Pedestalation of women by needing to be perfect .

On looking better in pics start working with a photographer.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You’re getting great compliments on your looks, but, from what I’m hearing, they are from older women. That’s not unheard of. It’s quite possible for a 28-35+ woman to drool over you and a 22 yo to roll her eyes at you.

How old was this older woman that called you “beautiful?”

I would be more flexible on age. Even 30 isn’t that bad if you want kids.
 

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You’re a 6/10 with money, start approaching the game that way.
 

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Your can be a "god" if you let your fans give you pvssy. With the older women your "sharp" looks attractive.

For the younger women you want you'll need to dress more like them. Their dressing down these days with the Chuck Taylor All Star gym shoes.

I think your a 8, but you look like shyt and like you got a stick up your a$$ cause your not fvcking.
Be a "god" within your current fans and work your way over .

You already have the look to pull ethnics in Chicago wanting a sharp business guy, but most will be gold diggers.
 

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You’re a 6/10 with money, start approaching the game that way.
I'm not a 6 in real life. I can see why you feel that way - I look like garbage in my pictures

but I'm much much more handsome in real life than pics
 

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I'm not a 6 in real life. I can see why you feel that way - I look like garbage in my pictures

but I'm much much more handsome in real life than pics
I gave you your answer . Play the game how it's played. For your pics work with a professional photographer to help you get good at posing for pics .
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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You’re getting great compliments on your looks, but, from what I’m hearing, they are from older women. That’s not unheard of. It’s quite possible for a 28-35+ woman to drool over you and a 22 yo to roll her eyes at you.

How old was this older woman that called you “beautiful?”

I would be more flexible on age. Even 30 isn’t that bad if you want kids.
I would date a 28 year old if she fit my requirements, even a 29 year old

but it has to be an ethnic woman. The people in my family age obscenely well. My sister at 36 could pass for 26. My mom at 55 could pass for 40. White women age horrendous, I'm not dating a white girl my age who will look 20 years older than me when we are both 40

I would date a hot classy 28 or 29 year old Latina or middle Eastern woman with no kids
 

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I would date a 28 year old if she fit my requirements, even a 29 year old

but it has to be an ethnic woman. The people in my family age obscenely well. My sister at 36 could pass for 26. My mom at 55 could pass for 40. White women age horrendous, I'm not dating a white girl my age who will look 20 years older than me when we are both 40

I would date a hot classy 28 or 29 year old Latina or middle Eastern woman with no kids
The entire mindset fails at attraction. We say this because many of us have made the same mistakes.
 

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Your narcissism makes you a crazy cat lady at the wall with delusional standards.
narcissism? women have called me "beautiful" in real life. How often does that happen to you?

delusional standards? I just want a 7/10 with a nice body. When did I ask for a supermodel?
 

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I don't think he can. My friends who are 9/10 can't even afford to be as picky as he is. I have similar stats to him and I think I've hooked up with 2 women that fit his description based on social scene luck, and would never ever happen online. An 8/10 online is a 6/10 online.
He can . He needs to change his mindset and become part of those circles . He need to quit with the check list, needing a girlfriend and stop turning down ***** . Stop being friends with too many females . Play the game how it's done .
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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